future_doc Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 Something for us all to look forward to one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Calls are at worst 1 in 3 for in-house. Mine have thus far been 1 in 4. Which means, every 4th day I'm on call. So basically it goes: regular day, regular day, regular day, CALL, post-call day, regular day, regular day, CALL, post-call day...make sense? The best is a thursday call with a weekend off because its like you have a 3day weekend since friday is your post-call day! OHHH the small joys Thanks so much for the response! I was curious about the actual schedule of a typical resident- thanks for taking the time to give such a detailed response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashmetoo Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 "The mind is its own place, and in itself, can make heaven of Hell, and a hell of Heaven." - John Milton, Paradise Lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc2Law Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 I didn't find my Residency time so much of a pain. It was very demanding, but i did like it. Since i am one of the "Old school" ones, our motivations were the fact that we loved to learn new things everyday and that couldn't stop us from going on. Now most students i meet always take account Salary and lifestyle, materialism is a very bad quality for a Medical Student. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosuperman Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 I didn't find my Residency time so much of a pain. It was very demanding, but i did like it. Since i am one of the "Old school" ones, our motivations were the fact that we loved to learn new things everyday and that couldn't stop us from going on. Now most students i meet always take account Salary and lifestyle, materialism is a very bad quality for a Medical Student. Nobody who finished residency around 2000 would call themselves "Old school". Also I guarantee you salary and lifestyle always were and will always be considerations for Med Students. Your posts strike me as... off... especially if you're preaching "love of the game" but you applied to medicine, dentistry AND business after already being a lawyer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc2Law Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Nobody who finished residency around 2000 would call themselves "Old school". Also I guarantee you salary and lifestyle always were and will always be considerations for Med Students. Your posts strike me as... off... especially if you're preaching "love of the game" but you applied to medicine, dentistry AND business after already being a lawyer? Why does every Med student i see on this board has to be rude or defensive towards a new user ? I studied Law in Quebec as an Undergrad because i thought it would be a good asset for me to jump in Medicine later on (My main goal.) I did the standard trick, pick the degree i'm sure to like to get the most benefits, it worked out. You obviously don't know anything about the 1990s, old generations vs new ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Stark Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 As an aside, I met a guy yesterday who's starting medicine this year and just finished a law degree. I know a family doc who serves on the curriculum committee who also has a legal background. And I recall that Pierre-Marc Johnson, the former premier of Quebec, is another lawyer/physician. I mean... I wouldn't do it, but it's hardly unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karma Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Doc2Law, did you go to the bar also? just out of curiosity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosuperman Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Why does every Med student i see on this board has to be rude or defensive towards a new user ? I studied Law in Quebec as an Undergrad because i thought it would be a good asset for me to jump in Medicine later on (My main goal.) I did the standard trick, pick the degree i'm sure to like to get the most benefits, it worked out. You obviously don't know anything about the 1990s, old generations vs new ones. Honestly, because your first post was a 2 year old article from the states that set off my malware protection, so I assumed you were a spammer, leading me to be potentially over critical of your posts. Nothing personal man, it happens here a lot. As for the older generations I do know quite a bit having family family members who I'd consider to be "old school" who finished residencies in the 60's and early 70's. Forgive me for sounding like a know it all but you've only been practicing for 10 years. Not to take anything away from that, but I'd wager you're on the younger end of the career spectrum in most hospitals. My apologies for assuming you were a spammer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladykilla421 Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 My take on this is- nothing worth having comes easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taboo Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 My take on this is- nothing worth having comes easy. Until you are a man, please don't make comments like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychobabble Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Until you are a man, please don't make comments like that. That's just uncalled for.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taboo Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 That's just uncalled for.. Is everyone here too mature for a penis joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooty Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Now most students i meet always take account Salary and lifestyle, materialism is a very bad quality for a Medical Student. Old school indeed. What's wrong with wanting a comfortable living for myself and my family? Taking into account salary and lifestyle does not exclude that I will strive to be great in whatever field I end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebouque Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 As an aside, I met a guy yesterday who's starting medicine this year and just finished a law degree. I know a family doc who serves on the curriculum committee who also has a legal background. And I recall that Pierre-Marc Johnson, the former premier of Quebec, is another lawyer/physician. I mean... I wouldn't do it, but it's hardly unbelievable. Of course it's feasible. 2 people in my med class are lawyers (who took the bar and practiced for a while)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hking03 Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Of course it's feasible. 2 people in my med class are lawyers (who took the bar and practiced for a while)... Funnilly enough during my undergrad I debated about attending both law school and medical school... I was reading a book by Atul Gawande (can't remember if it was "Better" or "Complications") where he has a chapter dedicated to a Malpractice Lawyer who used to be a Doctor... he registered for night classes at law school and transitioned over and now represents former patients who have experienced "less than ideal care". If you haven't read either of his books I would highly recommend them. He has a new one called "Checklist Manifesto", but I'd wait until the paperback comes out in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmleo Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 the only aspect of residency that I'm worried about is finding the time to go out and find that girl to marry. What is the use of my awesome MD later if I have nobody to share my life with? Plus, I don't want an arranged marriage either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc2Law Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Old school indeed. What's wrong with wanting a comfortable living for myself and my family? Taking into account salary and lifestyle does not exclude that I will strive to be great in whatever field I end up. There's nothing wrong in it, but lots of people now consider it as the MAIN reason, this is wrong. Compensation is high status and "premium", lifestyle isn't in most Specialties. Unless you worked a complete full year as an INDEPENDENT Specialist, don't argue with me about lifestyle, most Docs i know work a good 70 hours/week, like me. Yes, yes, i know many of you guys will end up replying with "I know a these X persons work on average 30-50 hours/week and make more than 350k/year"... The reality is that it's false for the most part. Yes, some Physicians are enjoying low levels of stress and have great lifestyle, but this won't be the case for 9/10 of people in Medical School as the Specialties offering this are a few and very competitive. So if your main goal is to have a very good lifestyle, have fun with family, avoid relationship problems, Medicine is a BAD choice, even for most Family Physicians out there. PS:Before you over react, not every Doc have no life, but many don't find the work/life balance they always wanted, in most and i say MOST,not all, specialties, having a functionnal lifestyle outside work is very hard, not impossible, just hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmleo Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 PS:Before you over react, not every Doc have no life, but many don't find the work/life balance they always wanted, in most and i say MOST,not all, specialties, having a functionnal lifestyle outside work is very hard, not impossible, just hard. firstly, thank you for your insight! However, in your experience, is there a way to make it easier for oneself to achieve or come close to having that work/life balance? For instance, can you not sacrifice some income for more personal time? thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooty Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 There's nothing wrong in it, but lots of people now consider it as the MAIN reason, this is wrong. Compensation is high status and "premium", lifestyle isn't in most Specialties. Unless you worked a complete full year as an INDEPENDENT Specialist, don't argue with me about lifestyle, most Docs i know work a good 70 hours/week, like me. Yes, yes, i know many of you guys will end up replying with "I know a these X persons work on average 30-50 hours/week and make more than 350k/year"... The reality is that it's false for the most part. Yes, some Physicians are enjoying low levels of stress and have great lifestyle, but this won't be the case for 9/10 of people in Medical School as the Specialties offering this are a few and very competitive. So if your main goal is to have a very good lifestyle, have fun with family, avoid relationship problems, Medicine is a BAD choice, even for most Family Physicians out there. PS:Before you over react, not every Doc have no life, but many don't find the work/life balance they always wanted, in most and i say MOST,not all, specialties, having a functionnal lifestyle outside work is very hard, not impossible, just hard. Cool. thanks for the input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc2Law Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 firstly, thank you for your insight! However, in your experience, is there a way to make it easier for oneself to achieve or come close to having that work/life balance? For instance, can you not sacrifice some income for more personal time? thank you! Most Specialists have to respect the schedule they get from the Hospital. They have to respect it from A to Z or they can lose their job. So if the Hospital wants you to work 90 hours/week as a Surgeon because the list for surgeries is long, then you'll have to do it. Some Specialties such as Dermatology are very Lifestyle friendly, but difficulty to match in these are extremely high as lots of Med Students fight to match there. I know a few Doctors who stopped working for a year or two to enjoy life and got back to full time work after that, but this requires high level management skills, going through 1-2 years without paychecks and not paying debts may cause problems. One thing is sure, Medicine will never turn into Investment Banking( Working 100-110 hours a week and can't get 1 single sick leave.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007 Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 I didn't read all of the above posts, but just wanted to voice my opinion that I love love love residency - it is way better than med school. (Not to say that it isn't still hard at times and sacrifices do need to be made). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfette Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 In 4th year meds...not quite at residency yet. But I don't hear any of my friends complaining about how they're worried about making 50k next year. Most fears surrounding residency (other than getting in) are the hours and the responsibility. Coming out of negative 40k every year, positive 50k sounds amazing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitKat Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 My boyfriend is in IM residency, year 2. We calculated his income vs his hours worked... Which turns out to be below the minimum wage!!!! So yes, it is slavery! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
case_sensitive Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 My boyfriend is in IM residency, year 2.We calculated his income vs his hours worked... Which turns out to be below the minimum wage!!!! So yes, it is slavery! lol, totally agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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