seeking1 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 TFI exam required by french univ for all anglophone students is also stupidly simple, nevertheless there are many of you who don't get the cut-off score - does this mean you - the english speaking applicants, are more stupid than your french colleagues ??? Depends on what you mean by "stupid", I suppose. I know nothing of exams required by French unis of anglophone students. I presume that if you do not pass the TFI, you are not allowed into the french university. Am I correct in presuming this? Because if so, this is an apt comparison to the MCAT VR section (not so much to TOEFL though, as you can get around TOEFL by doing a university course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking1 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 MCAT would be an unfair exam for those with French as their first and perhaps, only language. Unless the MCAT was offered in French as well. Regardless, to live in this country one must know English; people in Quebec can speak and understand English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axialpac Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Unless the MCAT was offered in French as well. Regardless, to live in this country one must know English; people in Quebec can speak and understand English. Aren't you familiar with the constitution at all?? and no, not everyone in Quebec speaks English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 But the MCAT is not offered in Fench. And if it were a fair test in English for French speakers who know some English, it would have been applied long ago by adcoms of the French speaking med schools. It is not used for French first language speakers for a good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Hood Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 But the MCAT is not offered in Fench. And if it were a fair test in English for French speakers who know some English, it would have been applied long ago by adcoms of the French speaking med schools. It is not used for French first language speakers for a good reason. Yes, it's not for nothing that Quebec, Ottawa, and NOSM don't use the MCAT. McGill even wanted that a French MCAT be put in place, but when that failed, they made the MCAT optional for people with a Canadian undergrad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Hood Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Unless the MCAT was offered in French as well. Regardless, to live in this country one must know English; people in Quebec can speak and understand English. Quebec's only official language is French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking1 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Quebec's only official language is French. Huh...you are correct. I looked it up, I didn't even realize that. :S Well then, I suppose you can only justify forcing people to write the MCAT in areas where the official language is English. If you cannot force them, why bother do the test at all? Hell, why bother testing much of anything for medical school admissions then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking1 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Aren't you familiar with the constitution at all?? and no, not everyone in Quebec speaks English. Fair cop about Quebec, I admitted my mistake and corrected it appropriately above. However, in order to immigrate to Canada, one must be able to speak either one of English or French fluently. This requirement is recognized by the Constitution of Canada. All countries, Canada included, are allowed to discriminate on immigration candidates on the premise of their ability to speak the official language(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axialpac Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Fair cop about Quebec, I admitted my mistake and corrected it appropriately above. However, in order to immigrate to Canada, one must be able to speak either one of English or French fluently. This requirement is recognized by the Constitution of Canada. All countries, Canada included, are allowed to discriminate on immigration candidates on the premise of their ability to speak the official language(s). We weren't talking about immigration policies though, and it's not something I'm familiar with so there's nothing I can say about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking1 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Coincidentally, Macleans just had an article about IMGs practicing in Canada and disproportionate numbers of disciplinary actions taken against them. The article can be found here: http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/04/20/is-canada-discriminating-against-foreign-trained-doctors/ It raises some interesting questions about IMGs in the Canadian health care system, I suggest everyone read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Coincidentally, Macleans just had an article about IMGs practicing in Canada and disproportionate numbers of disciplinary actions taken against them. The article can be found here: http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/04/20/is-canada-discriminating-against-foreign-trained-doctors/ It raises some interesting questions about IMGs in the Canadian health care system, I suggest everyone read it. Skimmed through the article, gives you an idea about some different things but I hated one point in there... and that was "fast tracking IMGs to eliminate the shortage." This shortage exists only in primary care and nothing else. so I dont know why any doctors.. or worse, any med students/pre meds would be in any way in support of that. Why take a profession that will LIKELY have a good job market and turn it into a saturated field like pharmacy's become? Makes no sense to eliminate the market of pretty much the only solid career path available in terms of job market and alary (and quality of work) just to make some IMGs happy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostintime Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Skimmed through the article, gives you an idea about some different things but I hated one point in there... and that was "fast tracking IMGs to eliminate the shortage." This shortage exists only in primary care and nothing else. so I dont know why any doctors.. or worse, any med students/pre meds would be in any way in support of that. Why take a profession that will LIKELY have a good job market and turn it into a saturated field like pharmacy's become? Makes no sense to eliminate the market of pretty much the only solid career path available in terms of job market and alary (and quality of work) just to make some IMGs happy.... Introducing IMG's really is not fulfilling the need in the North and remote areas, where they need people the most. If they really want to help the shortage, they should change the ROS contract to be more restrictive with where they can practice. Otherwise, it's not helping anyone to have highly urban areas and areas 10 minutes away from highly urban centres saturated with CMG's and IMG's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moo Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Fair cop about Quebec, I admitted my mistake and corrected it appropriately above. However, in order to immigrate to Canada, one must be able to speak either one of English or French fluently. This requirement is recognized by the Constitution of Canada. All countries, Canada included, are allowed to discriminate on immigration candidates on the premise of their ability to speak the official language(s). Ironically the US has no official language, and does not discriminate in this regard. In that respect, Canada is actually less welcoming than America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moo Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 FM sux. The CCFP sux. Primary care does not suck. And I have written the appropriate authorities. Primary care can be very rewarding. yes, there are times when there's a lot of crap you deal with (what specialty doesn't) but financially, flexibility, work-life balance can be very rewarding. Not to mention that if you're a good doctor, and take time to explain things to patients, they will trust you, even more than specialists. The route to family medicine though (2 years), can be done in 1 through a rotating internship. The residency didn't teach me anything extra (I don't even remember what FIFE stands for now). I learned way more that first year out on my own and bouncing things off colleagues than those years of residency. Of course, combining this with public health is even better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Hood Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 You're an asset to this forum, Moo. Primary care can be very rewarding. The thing that's holding it back from what it can be is the politics, specifically the politics surrounding the training of primary care physicians.. And is it just me or is "family medicine" a silly name for a specialty? Family medicine is not a bad name, since it implies that the doctor treats all sorts of conditions for all types of age. But FM (general practice) being a speciality is a big oxymoron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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