second round Interview thread

[silvantes]

I might add from your post rmorelan #8 http://premed101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74377

 

I am willing to work long hours either way. I am also thinking about somewhat rural location. I want to make a difference and would love to do some research as well, can this be accomplished as a Family doc?

I should also mention I am also a US citizen and I really want to stay in Canada but perhaps it might be easier for me than others to get a job in the US, I am not sure the pay difference there between Specialist and family doc(with extra expenses taken into account), I would likely only choose that route if I specialized..

[nina2013]

5 + 1 or 2 is quite long in comparison to med fam ?

Thanks !

 

Rad onc is 5 years, fellowship is at least 1 year after that. Family med is 2 years, maybe 3 if you want to do more training (eg ER, OB, palliative care).

[silvantes]

THe pay differential between family docs and most specialists is extreme in the USA. I think something like less than 5% of US seniors apply to primary care, because the financials are just so poor.

 

Specialize first. You can always be a family doc later, but going the other way is rare(unless you want something like psych or path. Then its easy). But why limit your options at the beginning?

 

Can I become a family doc after specializing? no idea why I would but good option I guess. I figured it would be like that in the states, I would like to stay up here but maybe I could keep the option open, keep my family here and work there...

[A-Stark]

Sorry but can you start a new thread for this or take it to PM? Not really sensitive to people in the second iteration.

[AnxiousBoy]

THe pay differential between family docs and most specialists is extreme in the USA. I think something like less than 5% of US seniors apply to primary care, because the financials are just so poor.

 

Specialize first. You can always be a family doc later, but going the other way is rare(unless you want something like psych or path. Then its easy). But why limit your options at the beginning?

 

This statement is not true. US primary care model is different from that of Canada's. Primary care is represented not just by Family Medicine, but as a collection including internal medicine, OB/GYN, and Peds. Depending on your demographics, you went to see one exclusively for all your first point of contact. That is, if you are old you went to IM, if you are young you saw Peds, if you are women you saw OB/GYN, and if you are SOL in a small rural area you saw FM mostly. Combined, they make up over 30% of all doctors. I believe this compartmentalizing resulted not from US seniors not choosing FM, but rather by the patient's preferences and associated costs to insurance companies accumulated from seeing multiple care providers. However, ALL primary care docs are paid poorly compared to the specialties and sub-specialties not mentioned. But there is a growing movement with Medicare and the likes to cut procedural payouts and increase the diagnostic payouts which essentially is a transfer of wealth into the primary care positions.

 

PS: Sorry for continuing to hijack this thread.

[cdnmaple]

Skype is sub-optimal compared to showing up in person, non verbal cues are harder to detect.

 

I'm told Skype is better than phone. I've had two phone interviews, both of them were with just one interviewer. One went much better than the other -- and it was the one that hadn't been planned to go by phone, except weather had prevented half the applicants from making it to the site -- but neither of them felt like they were half the interview they could have been.

[cdnmaple]

So for those who applied in second round... who actually got declines? Instead of just the radio silence that you are supposed to assume means you aren't being invited?

[nina2013]

Family declines: McMaster, and indirectly Queen's (bc they gave a time limit for offers)

IM decline: Queen's

Neuro at UWO: gave a date/time by which they'd inform for interviews

Also got declines from Ottawa derm and Queen's rad onc

[silvantes]

Thanks for the response, I have started a thread discussing it for anyone with other similar questions as well. http://premed101.com/forums/showthread.php?p=813823#post813823

 

Good Luck everyone!

[cdnmaple]

FM declines:

 

Actual decline: Manitoba, but not until after they held their interviews.

Decline by default: Queen's & MUN. Both said they'd notify by a specific date.

Radio Silence: Ottawa (though I guess they're interviewing until the 28th) and UBC.

 

That said, I am very sure that most programs send invitations out in batches, sometimes spread out over days, and maybe that's why they don't send out declines like they do in round 1. But still.

 

Round 2 is a real mindf---. Makes round 1 look like a walk in the park.

[nina2013]

Did the programs submit their rank lists on the 28th?

[cdnmaple]

Did the programs submit their rank lists on the 28th?

 

Yes, sort of.

 

March 28th is the deadline for programs to submit their rank lists so that their Postgraduate Deans can review them.

 

The Postgrad Deans have until April 3 to approve the rank lists, thereby making them official.

 

So I suppose that theoretically the Postgrad Deans may not approve the rank list as it was submitted and may make adjustments up until April 3rd. If that's true, then program directors could change their minds after the 28th and ask the Postgrad Dean to make the changes for them.

[med999]

Has anyone received any e-mails with promise to rank?

[BigManOnCampus]

Has anyone received any e-mails with promise to rank?

 

nope. .

[nina2013]

I didn't even know that was possible

[cdnmaple]

Just about anything is possible. After all, some programs rank absolutely everyone, so it would be pretty easy for them to send out an email "promising to rank."

 

Also, in the second round, where applicants who interviewed already in the first round may not have been re-interviewed but the program is just re-using their first round scores to determine ranking, I can see those programs sending out an email to those applicants reminding them that they will be ranked according to their first-round scores. (However, if they had ranked that person in the first round and that person had ranked that program, then why on earth did they go unmatched? Unless it is as a result of the parallel streams.)

 

And no. I've never received such a thing that I can recall. Certainly not this year.

[genfam]

Just about anything is possible. After all, some programs rank absolutely everyone, so it would be pretty easy for them to send out an email "promising to rank."

 

Also, in the second round, where applicants who interviewed already in the first round may not have been re-interviewed but the program is just re-using their first round scores to determine ranking, I can see those programs sending out an email to those applicants reminding them that they will be ranked according to their first-round scores. (However, if they had ranked that person in the first round and that person had ranked that program, then why on earth did they go unmatched? Unless it is as a result of the parallel streams.)

 

And no. I've never received such a thing that I can recall. Certainly not this year.

 

what do you mean by Parallel streams, please explain more.

[mike james]

i believe parallel streams means this example:

 

u rank Mac-Hamilton FM, but dont rank Mac-Niagara FM....

then after going unmatched in 1st iteration, u r applying again but this time u rank Mac-Niagara FM...

[cdnmaple]

what do you mean by Parallel streams, please explain more.

 

I mean the separate CMG and IMG streams in the first round.

 

But mike_james's explanation would also work too.

[rmorelan]

I guess the lists are in - good luck everyone!