Diceroll2011 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Are they late? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igeorgex Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 been wondering the same thing.. on the website, said they would come out end of May. ETA: quick forum search reveals they came out May 17 last year... it's 3 weeks later than that and still nothing. hm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChemPetE Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 Something I've been wondering too. Maybe it's delayed because of the snafu they had this year. It's worth an email to them, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med0123 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 Something I've been wondering too. Maybe it's delayed because of the snafu they had this year. It's worth an email to them, though. snafu????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChemPetE Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 snafu????? They had mistakenly displayed to some students that they did not match, when in reality they had. http://www.premed101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75234 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 They had mistakenly displayed to some students that they did not match, when in reality they had. http://www.premed101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75234 Yeah the really, really, really messed up. It only affected a small group of students but still it was a horrible mistake. A major breakdown of the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastriss Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 Yeah the really, really, really messed up. It only affected a small group of students but still it was a horrible mistake. A major breakdown of the system. In retrospect it is kind of funny in a "you only have one job" meme kind of way. Not to speak out of ignorance of not knowing how complicated it is to run the match algorithm, but for an organization that 1) takes so much money from you, and 2) have taken a lot of responsibility on their shoulders, the bar should be set pretty high. http://memebase.cheezburger.com/tag/you-had-one-job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 In retrospect it is kind of funny in a "you only have one job" meme kind of way. Not to speak out of ignorance of not knowing how complicated it is to run the match algorithm, but for an organization that 1) takes so much money from you, and 2) have taken a lot of responsibility on their shoulders, the bar should be set pretty high. http://memebase.cheezburger.com/tag/you-had-one-job ha - that was exactly what popped into my mind when I heard about the problem Speaking as a software engineer - what happened that day in general was something that never should have occurred. In the private sector it would have resulted in people losing their jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChemPetE Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 So I got an email back from the CaRMS team - they said to expect the 2013 match report by the 26th of this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 That's great, thanks for letting us know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Yoda_ Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Partial stats are out: https://www.carms.ca/eng/operations_R1reports_13_e.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Stark Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 When you consider the number of people who do family planning to go the CCFP-EM route and focus almost exclusively on EM, it's actually even worse than these numbers suggest. But whatever. Let's just go on ensuring that most specialists can't also practice as generalists at any point in their career as independently licensed physicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristarchus Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 As an unmatched CMG from the class of 2013 I was eagerly awaiting the 2013 R1 match statistics, to see how alone I really am. Unfortunately, there are many of us out there. For the 1st iteration, it seems that 130 CMGs were unmatched (121 from the class of 2013). The good news in all of this is that there is a slight improvement compared to the 161 unmatched students in the 2012 match. The number of prior year grads matching is also encouraging, 53/62 or 85% matched. My school had 100% match success for prior year grads, so it seems the career counsellors had been giving good advice to unmatched students. The surgical sub-specialty break-down is a useful statistic. General Surgery had a very competitive match this year. There were 128 students applying to General Surgery as their 1st choice discipline but only 95 positions across Canada (16 positions were French-speaking only), a success rate of 74% compared to 80% in 2012. I am still trying to figure out what happened with the 2nd iteration when I applied quite broadly. Looking forward to see those results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Stark Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Did you not match in the 2nd iteration? That also happened to someone I know this year. What are your plans going forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristarchus Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Did you not match in the 2nd iteration? That also happened to someone I know this year. What are your plans going forward? I didn't match in the 2nd iteration. The CMG success rate in the 2nd iteration is pretty low, 62.6% in the 2012 R1-match. The competition includes: CMGs, IMGs and residents transferring programs. From what I've learned, there are 2 options for an unmatched applicant: (1) accept MD and complete a research project (e.g., course-based MSc, clinical research), (2) apply to extend clerkship and delay graduation so that you have access to electives rather than shadowing opportunities. I've taken the clerkship extension option. This option will vary by school, but you should aim to become a strong candidate in at least 2 specialties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 These seem a little off to me? I mean at Western I know one person matched to derm - we were there when she opened up her results, but nothing is listed. There are a few other examples as well that don't quite work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I didn't match in the 2nd iteration. The CMG success rate in the 2nd iteration is pretty low, 62.6% in the 2012 R1-match. The competition includes: CMGs, IMGs and residents transferring programs. From what I've learned, there are 2 options for an unmatched applicant: (1) accept MD and complete a research project (e.g., course-based MSc, clinical research), (2) apply to extend clerkship and delay graduation so that you have access to electives rather than shadowing opportunities. I've taken the clerkship extension option. This option will vary by school, but you should aim to become a strong candidate in at least 2 specialties. good luck in round two - that much be a painful situation but hopefully the additional training will make you that much more competitive next time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 The deck's stacked against you. Write the USMLE and apply to the US too. Good luck. seems to depend on the field, no? some of these stats for second rounders are pretty encouraging - with full matching at many schools. No that it must not be terrible not to match of course, but I am curious how where they end up and what the effective strategies are for managing the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 That's a good point, but its better to have more options than less. Going unmatched in round one is generally the result of geographic restrictions or applying for fields with more applicants than spots without backing up broadly with a CO2 field. If the OP had done this in round one, who is to say that he may not still focus his applications to said field/geographic location next year? Writing the USMLE won't help someone with geographic location, but it certainly could be the only way into their desired field. Ian Wong is a perfect example of that. I wonder what would have happened had he not applied to the US. I suspect he would have gone unmatched a second time in Canada, just because of the stigma and the overabundance of applicants for radiology. Nothing to say it other than the fear of failing a second time - and I agree that fear should also lead to exploring every option. Our student affairs rep made it sound like it was very specialty dependent - optho for instance he said give an advantage to second time applicants that did something with the intermediate year (shows dedication I guess). Peds was supposed to be one that just would ignore you a second time. You know I have no idea where rads would fit into that mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 No surprises on first glance. Family medicine still fails to meet societal needs (35% overall match rate, and I expect the true family-doc output from this to be lowered an amount by those who choose to do part-time work and EM, etc.), but you can't tell the CCFP that, because they're boneheads. CO2 specialties are still CO2 specialties. Neuropath and hemepath are barely breathing. ROAD is still ROAD. yeah wasn't expecting big changes I am not even sure if CCFP considers that part time etc stuff to be an issue - their members like that flexibility. I am more curious what the governments collectively are going to do with it in the long term. Ontario wants that 50% - will the adjust the residency mix do to it (and save a chunk of money in the process on their overall training budget?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med0123 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 yeah wasn't expecting big changes I am not even sure if CCFP considers that part time etc stuff to be an issue - their members like that flexibility. I am more curious what the governments collectively are going to do with it in the long term. Ontario wants that 50% - will the adjust the residency mix do to it (and save a chunk of money in the process on their overall training budget?) In Quebec they are already correcting the shot; slowly but surely specialty spots will decrease and it has already started in some fields such as surgery (having no employment opportunity after residency being the other somewhat important issue). They aim for a FM-SPECIALTY ratio of 50-50 and even 55-45 in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Stark Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Ugh. Well I suppose that's "good" for those of us going into specialties, inasmuch as there will be less competition going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemogoblin Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Neuropath and hemepath are barely breathing. What do you mean by this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Ugh. Well I suppose that's "good" for those of us going into specialties, inasmuch as there will be less competition going forward. Ha - we could quite possibly used that I mean we are seemingly saturated in many fields of course. I keep expecting a residency adjustment at some point in terms of positions. I am kind of surprised it hasn't happened yet considering the reduced cost, the public support, and the goal of 50/50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Ugh. Well I suppose that's "good" for those of us going into specialties, inasmuch as there will be less competition going forward. Can't come soon enough. Nothing is worse than doing residency, and possibly multiple fellowships, only to end up underemployed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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