I want to go straight to med school.

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High School --> Med School

 

Any way this is possible? Apparently there are schools in the UK/Caribbean that allow this

 

(I just don't feel like wasting an extra 4 years on undergrad)

[leviathan]

Sounds like you already know about the schools that allow this, so not sure what your question is? I met one person who did it and matched in Canada this year. Lucky to be a resident already at the age of 24. Many of them are unable to match though.

[DoubleD]

No need to go abroad for this. With Calgary and Mac accepting people after 3 years and only taking 3 years it can take you the same amount of time here. I'm a PGY1 at age 23, and have a classmate who is also a PGY1 at the same age.

[Edict]

Being able to return has a lot to do with how much work you put in at the end of the day.

[NLengr]

High School --> Med School

 

Any way this is possible? Apparently there are schools in the UK/Caribbean that allow this

 

(I just don't feel like wasting an extra 4 years on undergrad)

 

Do you have 300k to take to the casino and bet on red?

 

Thats the type of risk you are taking as an IMG, unless you are an EU or Australian citizen and can work in your IMG country

 

If not, stick to Canadian or American schools.

[Edict]

Do you have 300k to take to the casino and bet on red?

 

Thats the type of risk you are taking as an IMG, unless you are an EU or Australian citizen and can work in your IMG country

 

If not, stick to Canadian or American schools.

 

Its not a wild bet, its something YOU can pretty much control. Tell me that if you have a USMLE score of 240+ or its MCCEE equivalent, have research, do electives and have good LoRs and apply widely that you won't match in a specialty like IM, FM, Obs, Peds, Psych in the US or Canada.

 

If you lack self control and fail, that is your fault, no one else's. On the other hand going straight from high school will take a lot of research into what it is like being an IMG, whether or not you can stay in the country (you can pretty much stay in the UK for at least 8 years if you are a non-citizen and forever, you just won't get a competitive specialty, if you marry a EU citizen you have full rights). You need a maturity level above your peers. Its not easy to go abroad for school, there is a lot of non-academic work involved and it can be a pain in the ass.

[Lactic Folly]

Its not a wild bet, its something YOU can pretty much control. Tell me that if you have a USMLE score of 240+ or its MCCEE equivalent, have research, do electives and have good LoRs and apply widely that you won't match in a specialty like IM, FM, Obs, Peds, Psych in the US or Canada.

 

If you're this motivated/qualified, as DoubleD said, why not apply to Alberta after 2 years or the other schools after 3 years, and start residency at age 23-24 as a CMG...

[Hintobean]

You can do it at Queen's but gaining admission will likely be very difficult (I say likely because it's a very new program so there are no historical data).

 

http://www.queensu.ca/admission/programs/quarms.html

[rmorelan]

Its not a wild bet, its something YOU can pretty much control. Tell me that if you have a USMLE score of 240+ or its MCCEE equivalent, have research, do electives and have good LoRs and apply widely that you won't match in a specialty like IM, FM, Obs, Peds, Psych in the US or Canada.

 

If you lack self control and fail, that is your fault, no one else's. On the other hand going straight from high school will take a lot of research into what it is like being an IMG, whether or not you can stay in the country (you can pretty much stay in the UK for at least 8 years if you are a non-citizen and forever, you just won't get a competitive specialty, if you marry a EU citizen you have full rights). You need a maturity level above your peers. Its not easy to go abroad for school, there is a lot of non-academic work involved and it can be a pain in the ass.

 

Trouble is it would be very difficult to gage that bet - high school simply doesn't correlate well with university grades - or at least not enough that I would bank on getting a really high USMLE score. Plus how do you know what specialty you want? The rule of thumb is 70% of all clerks make up there minds of what to do fully in clerkship. What if you figure out you don't want the sorts of fields you mentioned. You are really locked in.

[A-Stark]

Its not a wild bet, its something YOU can pretty much control. Tell me that if you have a USMLE score of 240+ or its MCCEE equivalent, have research, do electives and have good LoRs and apply widely that you won't match in a specialty like IM, FM, Obs, Peds, Psych in the US or Canada.

 

If you lack self control and fail, that is your fault, no one else's. On the other hand going straight from high school will take a lot of research into what it is like being an IMG, whether or not you can stay in the country (you can pretty much stay in the UK for at least 8 years if you are a non-citizen and forever, you just won't get a competitive specialty, if you marry a EU citizen you have full rights). You need a maturity level above your peers. Its not easy to go abroad for school, there is a lot of non-academic work involved and it can be a pain in the ass.

 

I'll grant that you're young, but some day you will learn that you can do everything right and still fail. And if you're so great, I fail to see why going the normal route is so problematic. Many of us did electives outside of Canada anyway.

[Edict]

Good day to you and your family.

[leviathan]

Its not a wild bet, its something YOU can pretty much control. Tell me that if you have a USMLE score of 240+ or its MCCEE equivalent, have research, do electives and have good LoRs and apply widely that you won't match in a specialty like IM, FM, Obs, Peds, Psych in the US or Canada.

Lol...no offense but this is very naive. This is the kind of thought process that makes so many people go abroad and then fall on their faces. The problem based on what you said is that:

 

#1 - You CAN'T expect to get a USMLE score of 240+. You might be smart, but most medical students are. Therefore by definition all you can expect to be is an average medical student, so you will expect an average score of 220. Even a 240+ might not get you a residency in the future. Same goes for the EE.

 

#2 - Research can be difficult to get done within a busy med school curriculum. It won't help that much on its own, even if you get some.

 

#3 - Electives are difficult to get in Canada. Most people get 1 rotation at best.

 

#4 - Good LoRs are dependent on you being a good student. Again by definition you can't expect to be anything besides average. You might even be a sub-par student.

[Edict]

Lol...no offense but this is very naive. This is the kind of thought process that makes so many people go abroad and then fall on their faces. The problem based on what you said is that:

 

#1 - You CAN'T expect to get a USMLE score of 240+. You might be smart, but most medical students are. Therefore by definition all you can expect to be is an average medical student, so you will expect an average score of 220. Even a 240+ might not get you a residency in the future. Same goes for the EE.

 

#2 - Research can be difficult to get done within a busy med school curriculum. It won't help that much on its own, even if you get some.

 

#3 - Electives are difficult to get in Canada. Most people get 1 rotation at best.

 

#4 - Good LoRs are dependent on you being a good student. Again by definition you can't expect to be anything besides average. You might even be a sub-par student.

 

You are right, I've been putting my mentality on this issue on everyone else. Fact is, not everyone has the academic record to succeed and most people who want to go abroad are probably destined for failure.

 

I don't encourage everyone to go abroad, its horrible, difficult and too risky. You won't match, if your grades aren't good enough that a masters won't do the trick, just switch careers, medicine isn't for you.

[NLengr]

Lol...no offense but this is very naive. This is the kind of thought process that makes so many people go abroad and then fall on their faces. The problem based on what you said is that:

 

#1 - You CAN'T expect to get a USMLE score of 240+. You might be smart, but most medical students are. Therefore by definition all you can expect to be is an average medical student, so you will expect an average score of 220. Even a 240+ might not get you a residency in the future. Same goes for the EE.

 

#2 - Research can be difficult to get done within a busy med school curriculum. It won't help that much on its own, even if you get some.

 

#3 - Electives are difficult to get in Canada. Most people get 1 rotation at best.

 

#4 - Good LoRs are dependent on you being a good student. Again by definition you can't expect to be anything besides average. You might even be a sub-par student.

 

Also, don't forget that the number of US residency spots avaliable is static, while US med school grad #'s are increasing with projections that by 2017 there will be only enough spots (or perhaps not enough) to give a 1:1 ratio of residency spots to the number of US grads. IMG's cannot at this point assume there will be more than a few, if any, extra spots avaliable for them in the US.

[Edict]

Yeah its going to get more difficult to match, I don't recommend it at all. If you seriously can't get into Canadian or US schools I recommend just switching careers.

[Letsdothisthing]

1) Most countries send students from high school to med

2) Consider doing it in the UK?

 

Quebec sends some students straight from Cegep. Not sure if that is a viable option but if you did all the things you could still avoid 4 years….

[Augmented]

it seems like you are talking about something like mbbs/mbchb that the uk schools offers?

[Edict]

Yes you are right.