CanuckMoose Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Hi all, I'm a Canadian studying in a US DO school. Before I decided to do this I practiced family medicine and emergency medicine in Ontario as a physician assistant. I'll be applying for residency soon enough and see that CARMs has changed their policy such that graduates of US DO schools, unlike graduates of US MD schools, will be considered foreign and so have to take all the additional/different exams and are only allowed to apply in the second iteration of CARMs. I'm hoping given that I am an experienced Ontarian PA with good references from Ontario physicians that I worked with that I have an okay shot at getting a FM residency in Ontario but when I look at the stats on the CARMs website it looks bad. My former supervising physicians in both Emerg and FM all want me to apply here and want to write me letters and are hopeful I will get a spot but I am not sure. So I am wondering if anyone here is involved with selecting residents and may shed some light on whether or not I have a decent enough chance that I should apply or if I should just plan on doing a US residency. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Hi all, I'm a Canadian studying in a US DO school. Before I decided to do this I practiced family medicine and emergency medicine in Ontario as a physician assistant. I'll be applying for residency soon enough and see that CARMs has changed their policy such that graduates of US DO schools, unlike graduates of US MD schools, will be considered foreign and so have to take all the additional/different exams and are only allowed to apply in the second iteration of CARMs. I'm hoping given that I am an experienced Ontarian PA with good references from Ontario physicians that I worked with that I have an okay shot at getting a FM residency in Ontario but when I look at the stats on the CARMs website it looks bad. My former supervising physicians in both Emerg and FM all want me to apply here and want to write me letters and are hopeful I will get a spot but I am not sure. So I am wondering if anyone here is involved with selecting residents and may shed some light on whether or not I have a decent enough chance that I should apply or if I should just plan on doing a US residency. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Why wouldn't you apply? You probably have much better odds than most other applicants - since you practiced as a PA and have connections. Take the MCCEE and whatever else you need and apply to CaRMS, BUT STILL MAKE SURE TO APPLY TO NRMP. Get Ontario elective rotations too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Hi all, I'm a Canadian studying in a US DO school. Before I decided to do this I practiced family medicine and emergency medicine in Ontario as a physician assistant. I'll be applying for residency soon enough and see that CARMs has changed their policy such that graduates of US DO schools, unlike graduates of US MD schools, will be considered foreign and so have to take all the additional/different exams and are only allowed to apply in the second iteration of CARMs. I'm hoping given that I am an experienced Ontarian PA with good references from Ontario physicians that I worked with that I have an okay shot at getting a FM residency in Ontario but when I look at the stats on the CARMs website it looks bad. My former supervising physicians in both Emerg and FM all want me to apply here and want to write me letters and are hopeful I will get a spot but I am not sure. So I am wondering if anyone here is involved with selecting residents and may shed some light on whether or not I have a decent enough chance that I should apply or if I should just plan on doing a US residency. Any advice is greatly appreciated. well....if I were you I would apply. You do sound like you have an excellent shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckMoose Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Thanks for the replies! I have indeed been leaning toward applying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Thanks for the replies! I have indeed been leaning toward applying. good you should seriously you do sound like you are in excellent shape - not much to lose from an attempt as well for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckMoose Posted May 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 I have a follow-up question. If I apply to CARMs (1st iteration in B.C. and 2nd iteration in Ontario) and I apply to the NRMP/ERAS first round, will one kick me out of the other if I match there first? How does that work? Like is there even any point in applying 2nd iteration CARMS Ontario because the American match will happen first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osteogeek Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 The Canadian match is first, and if you match in CaRMS you'll automatically be withdrawn from NRMP - so if you want to come back to Canada this works in your favour. I'd double check the dates during your application year, but I don't remember a year where the US match was first and I've been following it for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 There is also the timing of 2nd iteration of CaRMS and 2nd iteration of the NRMP to consider, but i wouldn't worry about 2nd iteration/scramble of NRMP. Hopefully you wouldn't be in that position etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Get some electives in BC, but know that FM in BC is pretty competitive, so in a way being classified as CMG in BC may actually not be in your favour as a DO...but definitely still worth a shot, but get some BC elective. Then focus on Ontario and your connections there. Also, remember, the IMG stream is parrellel in the first iteration. So, you should be applying to BC in first iteration as a CMG, AND Ontario as a IMG in first iteration. Hopefully you match, if not, then hope for the best in NRMP match in the US. And then if still no luck, 2nd iteration in either CaRMS or NRMP(SOAP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckMoose Posted May 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Get some electives in BC, but know that FM in BC is pretty competitive, so in a way being classified as CMG in BC may actually not be in your favour as a DO...but definitely still worth a shot, but get some BC elective. Then focus on Ontario and your connections there. Also, remember, the IMG stream is parrellel in the first iteration. So, you should be applying to BC in first iteration as a CMG, AND Ontario as a IMG in first iteration. Hopefully you match, if not, then hope for the best in NRMP match in the US. And then if still no luck, 2nd iteration in either CaRMS or NRMP(SOAP). Thanks. So you are saying as a US DO grad I am eligible for the first iteration of carms in Ontario? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGrisham Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Thanks. So you are saying as a US DO grad I am eligible for the first iteration of carms in Ontario? Take 5 minutes and read the CaRMS website. You are eligible for 1st iteration in the IMG stream. Its a parrellel stream to the CMG stream with dedicated spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrouchoMarx Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Take 5 minutes and read the CaRMS website. You are eligible for 1st iteration in the IMG stream. Its a parrellel stream to the CMG stream with dedicated spots... ....including for competitive fields like urology and dermatology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckMoose Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Take 5 minutes and read the CaRMS website. You are eligible for 1st iteration in the IMG stream. Its a parrellel stream to the CMG stream with dedicated spots. Thanks, yes I read it again and it seems I didn't understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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