AndrewB Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Most lawyers rarely do anything of social benefit, it is all about money changing hands in the end...while they create enoromous fees for excessive and unnecessary work. Shortchange other professions? They are lucky to be called professions. Investment bankers have been the latest round of societies robbers who, for the most part, get away with it. Competent doctors do no harm, improve the lives of others and are desrving of remuneration on a level that esteems their value to society. Airline pilots yes, but doctors, no? I don't know why you constantly generalize. It's ignorant and offensive. My father is a lawyer who works very hard to help people buy or sell their first home, open a business, write a will, or design a comprehensive and thoughtful advance directive prior to medical treatment. It makes me sick that you view people as "robbers" just because they are part of a certain profession. Grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Statements about ignorant and offensive say much about who you are, but if you wish to be insulting to show precisely who you are, your lawyer father did not teach you any manners. Your father is the exception, not the rule. Most lawyers are incompetent, we have a circle of lawyers in our midst and these are their words, from within the profession. You are niave and immature and I forgive you. I am working on growing up, meanwhile get lost, this is meant to be a positive experience of helping each not dribble form another lawyer's kid. You are no. 3, congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewB Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Statements about ignorant and offensive say much about who you are, but if you wish to be insulting to show precisely who you are, your lawyer father did not teach you any manners. Your father is the exception, not the rule. Most lawyers are incompetent, we have a circle of lawyers in our midst and these are their words, from within the profession. You are niave and immature and I forgive you. I am working on growing up, meanwhile get lost, this is meant to be a positive experience of helping each not dribble form another lawyer's kid. You are no. 3, congratulations. What? Are you kidding me? Where do you come up with this stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laika Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Statements about ignorant and offensive say much about who you are, but if you wish to be insulting to show precisely who you are, your lawyer father did not teach you any manners. Your father is the exception, not the rule. Most lawyers are incompetent, we have a circle of lawyers in our midst and these are their words, from within the profession. You are niave and immature and I forgive you. I'm so happy premed101 is a welcoming, helpful, and non-judgmental forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewB Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I haven't even been following it. I'm just tired of the crap that gets posted on this forum from future_doc. Like...come on...I can't be the only one that face-palms hard when I read her posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamP Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Your father is the exception, not the rule. Most lawyers are incompetent, we have a circle of lawyers in our midst and these are their words, from within the profession. You are niave and immature and I forgive you. Please.....stop....all..of..this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Please.....stop....all..of..this. It's painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochi1543 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Statements about ignorant and offensive say much about who you are, but if you wish to be insulting to show precisely who you are, your lawyer father did not teach you any manners. Your father is the exception, not the rule. Most lawyers are incompetent, we have a circle of lawyers in our midst and these are their words, from within the profession. You are niave and immature and I forgive you. I am working on growing up, meanwhile get lost, this is meant to be a positive experience of helping each not dribble form another lawyer's kid. You are no. 3, congratulations. God, you're such a moron. Even my famous patience has come to its end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaka84 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Everyone that doesn't have a personality disorder put up your hand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayven Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I'm going to cry sexist if cnussey and jochi aren't added to the ever so elite ignore list. >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I'm going to cry sexist if cnussey and jochi aren't added to the ever so elite ignore list. >.> LOL--I try to be polite in my disagreements (ahem). You are ever so bold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 your writing skills are atrocious, please consult a grammar and style manual immediately... also, just stop talking! take it from me, it's often better to be quiet and have people wonder what lies deep within, than speak and let them know that there's nothing there! I have financial management skills, admittedly only as a student, but I manage to live effectively on air. The business aspects of the pracrice of medicine are extremely important. For example, if I were to go into FM, I would only go into a polyclinic with a group of doctors and perhaps no others in FM, so I build up my practice from patients of other doctors in my polyclinic. The building would be owned by us, so that while we are paying rent, we are increasing equity every month. And I would have my practice divided so I amalso building up a practice in another area, while renting out my office to a specialist who uses schedule is coordinated with mine. I understand. And I don't intend to enter the prwctice of medicine to enter poverty, although I would like to be able to afford to devote one mo. a year on international pro bono humanitarian medical work.So, yes we need to understand money, the business of the practice, have a good team of professionasls to assist us and also be smarter than our professionals so the tail does not wag the dog...and we able to give to our kids the education and lifestyle we want for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 hehe, you also have the verbal intellectual level of a 12 year old... wowsers, dude my dads a single parent immigrant with a grade 6 education and my moms on assured income for the severely disabled, i didnt get on a plane til i was 19, do any summer camp or anything either... cut the patronizing sermon please, i use to work like 30 hours a week in hs to support my family, and ive seen a lot of ****ed **** ... you haven't even been aquatinted with "roughing it", believe me... wait till you see some of your future patients and how lifes been treating them... i bet you they think they deserve 300000 dollars a year too, and some of them are smart enough to be doc's (some of them even are, i use to supervise a foreign cardiologist at my hs job) life's just put unmovable barriers in front of them life doesn't owe you anything... believe me. you're hardworking, right? no! you're lucky to get the opportunity to work hard for a reward. I have been brought up "on air", came to Canada with not a penny, got a fabulous trilingual private school education, all subsidized, all kinds of extra lessons in a range of activities, all subsidized. No family cactions, no summer camp. Now its my turn, I intend to pay my way, I am a capitalist, a hiumanitarian and a Canadian living in a free country where I can make my dreams come true by hard work and planning. For me medicine is a calling, I am sure I can earn more money elsewhere, so money is not the issue. Having said that, I will need a certain min. to put my future children into private school and obtain all the benefits I obtained and more - at my sole expense. It is my turn to give back to society, my future family and to the world as a humanitarian. I will need a big income to accomplish this and don't apologize. We each have different expectations and goals, personally, professionally and financially. I know what mine are. When I was in high school at age 16 I got a sales job and stayed for years. Within weeks, I was top salesperson outperforming fulltime adults who had experience, I was a novice and highly successful. I have every confidence that I shall achieve each of my goals, make my familt proud and be a highly productive citizen professionally, as tax payer and in the wider world. May each of us each attain our goals! Each to his/her own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnface Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 your hardworking, right? no! you're lucky to get the opportunity to work hard for a reward. nice line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microbiodude Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 nice line. seconded and thirded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 seconded and thirded You count for two people? Not fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microbiodude Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 You count for two people? Not fair. Fine, I take my thirded back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Fine, I take my thirded back Cool. I third. You know, there is no need for a third--just yeas & nays now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayven Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 I have been brought up "on air", came to Canada with not a penny, As far as i know... most people who come to Canada have to have a job lined up or have someone (with more than a penny) sponsor them into the country. At least that's how it worked for my parents. I don't know, maybe the Canadian government made a special case for you. got a fabulous trilingual private school education, all subsidized, all kinds of extra lessons in a range of activities, all subsidized. No family cactions, no summer camp. That's a lot of free stuff for someone living on air. Boohoo. No summer camp for you. I haven't had a real family vacation since I was 5 years old and got free admission into Wonderland. Now its my turn, I intend to pay my way, I am a capitalist, a hiumanitarian and a Canadian living in a free country where I can make my dreams come true by hard work and planning. For me medicine is a calling, I am sure I can earn more money elsewhere, so money is not the issue. Having said that, I will need a certain min. to put my future children into private school and obtain all the benefits I obtained and more - at my sole expense. What's wrong with the public system? Your children too good? It is my turn to give back to society, my future family and to the world as a humanitarian. I will need a big income to accomplish this and don't apologize. You keep repeating that you're a humanitarian but just what exactly have you accomplished thus far to be able to back that claim? I'm sure like 9 out of 10 people when asked would say they are humanitarians and all for helping the world. Some maybe because of less noble and altruistic reasons. Saying that you need to be making in excess of $200,000 a year so that you can be a humanitarian (and put your kids through private school and afford all the nice things in life) is really stupid. You've already said you could find a better paying job than medicine so I don't see why you don't pursue that. You'd most likely have more time to spend with your kids and do your humanitarian work than you would have if you were a physician. We each have different expectations and goals, personally, professionally and financially. I know what mine are. When I was in high school at age 16 I got a sales job and stayed for years. Within weeks, I was top salesperson outperforming fulltime adults who had experience, I was a novice and highly successful. I have every confidence that I shall achieve each of my goals, make my familt proud and be a highly productive citizen professionally, as tax payer and in the wider world. May each of us each attain our goals! Each to his/her own. lol... I don't even know why you'd brag about something like that. From the part-time jobs I've held, most full-time employees usually don't give a damn anymore. I mean honestly, how passionate about work can you be as a Walmart sales associate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnussey Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 While I would love to enroll my children into a private school (like King's Edgehill, for example)...I grew up in a public school system and I believe that if parents work with the teachers and put an effort into teaching their children at home (gasp! I know...guess what parents? You have a responsibility too!) then you're child may end up with a better education than any private school can offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 10 characters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 and so we can seriously make 200 g in FM (I thought it was more like 130)? That's good money... esp. for a two year residency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_B Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 No offense muse, but you are kind of missing the point. Nobody is saying 200k isn't good money. The problem that many people have when they are in medicine is that relative to what your colleagues are making, it isn't that great. Everything in life is relative. You paint a picture of hardship, but that isn't the environment we are speaking of. We shouldn't be comparing apples and oranges. Relative to other areas of medicine, family doesn't pay as well. That is where the value of discussion here lies. If you want to speak from a higher levels, so be it...but understand it then becomes a sermon, not a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microbiodude Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 I think in the end you have to see what you value more...the procedures and stimulation a certain specialty brings or the extra income that can be generated from it. Family med has its own unique qualities as does every other specialty. If the roles a FM plays appeals to you greatly then thats what you should pursue (if you don't mind taking the pay cut). A cardiologist may make more money, but the FM may see a greater diversity of patients outside the age 60+ bracket. The FM may also have to be on-call less often since there are more FMs to cover each other. The FM may have more spare time and flexibility in their scheduling relative to the cardiologist. The FM is also the goto person for most patients and as such you have a greater potential to develop deep and intimate relationships with your patients. Bottom line is though compensation may vary, the occupational roles and the lifestyles that can be potentially achieved will vary with specialty as well. You have to choose your own happy medium between interest and income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 The hardship reference was in reference to the statements made by future doc. I'm talking about complete package... shorter residency, less intense work, flexibility, the ability to move around... make it an overall desirable package for me personally, but those incorporate my values of course... other people have other desires in life. No offense muse, but you are kind of missing the point. Nobody is saying 200k isn't good money. The problem that many people have when they are in medicine is that relative to what your colleagues are making, it isn't that great. Everything in life is relative. You paint a picture of hardship, but that isn't the environment we are speaking of. We shouldn't be comparing apples and oranges. Relative to other areas of medicine, family doesn't pay as well. That is where the value of discussion here lies. If you want to speak from a higher levels, so be it...but understand it then becomes a sermon, not a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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