windrive Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Hey Guys, just wanna know about your opinion on the pros and cons to go to UdeM and McGill Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justletmein Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 McGill= prestige, better if you plan on doing residency out of province or US, heavier on traditional lectures, early clinical exposure UdeM= problem-based learning, small groups, plan on staying in Qbc for residency If it were up to me, I would choose based on: -language preference -traditional vs PBL teaching -plans for residency and beyond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smthg Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 McGill doesn't have early clinical exposure... at least, not more than UdeM, I think? (UdeM has also some hospital volunteering to do, which is the clinical immersion McGill talks about) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleDaisy Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 McGill only has clinical exposure after 1 year and half (18 months), whereas UdM starts clinical immersion (exposure) right away, during année préparatoire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smthg Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 That's true, because of the Med-P year, in which you're really not into medecine yet. At UdeM, there's volunteering, but as the prep year is really sciences classes based on the medecine curriculum, we still do it first year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebouque Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 They both have rougly equivalent clinical exposure. Still, people put too much value in early clinical exposure in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Hood Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 They both have rougly equivalent clinical exposure. Still, people put too much value in early clinical exposure in my opinion. Maybe because people can't wait to practice medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smthg Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 I think the first year is the most different. Med-P is more like another year of cégep : you have very few obligatory courses and you can do anthropology, maths... things not related to medecine. The schedule is definitely not full : I saw one and you can make sure you only have 3 days of school (about 15-18h max). The année prep at UdeM is more medecine intensive, in the sense that the classes are basic sciences tailored on the medical curriculum. And, you have about 25-26 hrs per semester. So, in one, you have more like a liberal-arts education for one year, and for the other, you're like directly a foot in med school Oh, and the Campus Mauricie at UdeM has gross anatomy on cadavers too Renovated anatomy lab and you have access to the plastinated members for studying for your 5 years At the Montréal Campus, you can come during the summer I think too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Hood Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 I think the first year is the most different. Med-P is more like another year of cégep : you have very few obligatory courses and you can do anthropology, maths... things not related to medecine. The schedule is definitely not full : I saw one and you can make sure you only have 3 days of school (about 15-18h max). The année prep at UdeM is more medecine intensive, in the sense that the classes are basic sciences tailored on the medical curriculum. And, you have about 25-26 hrs per semester. So, in one, you have more like a liberal-arts education for one year, and for the other, you're like directly a foot in med school Oh, and the Campus Mauricie at UdeM has gross anatomy on cadavers too Renovated anatomy lab and you have access to the plastinated members for studying for your 5 years At the Montréal Campus, you can come during the summer I think too! Med-Ps are in the Faculty of Science, it's not a formal acceptance into medicine yet, just conditional. If it wasn't for the government's decree, McGill wouldn't have admitted cegepiens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebouque Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Maybe because people can't wait to practice medicine. Yeah but you can't practice medicine without the knowledge and basic skills. Nicolas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smthg Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Some just want to see patients - not practice. Either way, it wouldn't matter to me, as both clinical exposure programs are volunteering-based : if you already did some volunteering, it's the same thing, except it's a class @ UdM and McGill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Hood Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Yeah but you can't practice medicine without the knowledge and basic skills. But atleast with early clinical immersion, you feel you're in the hospital, and you start learning some clinical skills earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 For cegepiens, UdeM is far better than McGill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphyraph Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 For cegepiens, UdeM is far better than McGill. why only for cegepians ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 The preliminary year @ UdeM gives cegepiens an excellent foundation for med, preparing them far better for the next 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samy Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 The preliminary year @ UdeM gives cegepiens an excellent foundation for med, preparing them far better for the next 4 years. Boff, ça s'est vraiment TON opinion. Il en faut pour tous les goûts. Comme certains ont mentionné plus haut, certains étudiants voudront tout de suite être exposés et d'autres non. Je tiens à te rappeler que les deux universités vont former des médecins compétents et que les étudiants des deux universités apprendront les mêmes choses au cours de leur programme. Nicolas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Oui, on a demandé notre "opinion" et c'est ce que j'ai donné. Je suis d'accord avec vous que les deux écoles de médecine de préparer les médecins compétents, cependant, ce n'était pas la question. Vous avez partagé votre point de vue tout comme moi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smthg Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 C'est précisément pourquoi on donne les pours et les contres pour chacune des université : pour une personne, le pour de quelqu'un peut être son contre et vice-versa (c'est pas très clair comme phrase mais bon ^^). Pour ma part, il y a plein de choses que j'ai dans les deux universités et qui sont presque pareille (côté Campus Mauricie pour UdeM) : petite cohorte, accès aux lab d'anatomie, année préparatoire, exposition clinique... Et ce sont sur les autres critères que ça dépend vraiment, mais alors vraiment de toi (en grande indécise, ce que j'aime de l'UdeM est ce que je n'aime pas de McGill et le contraire est aussi vrai) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Hood Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 C'est précisément pourquoi on donne les pours et les contres pour chacune des université : pour une personne, le pour de quelqu'un peut être son contre et vice-versa (c'est pas très clair comme phrase mais bon ^^). Pour ma part, il y a plein de choses que j'ai dans les deux universités et qui sont presque pareille (côté Campus Mauricie pour UdeM) : petite cohorte, accès aux lab d'anatomie, année préparatoire, exposition clinique... Et ce sont sur les autres critères que ça dépend vraiment, mais alors vraiment de toi (en grande indécise, ce que j'aime de l'UdeM est ce que je n'aime pas de McGill et le contraire est aussi vrai) Ca depend aussi dans quelle ville tu te sentiras le plus a l'aise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smthg Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Aussi, j'y avais pas pensé à celle-là, comme c'est pas vraiment un problème de mon côté ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Vous êtes à l'aise là où vous vivez, mais vous pouvez être parfaitement à l'aise dans une autre ville, vous devriez donc pas peur de l'inconnu et l'on devrait avoir un esprit ouvert. La vie est une aventure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Hood Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Aussi, j'y avais pas pensé à celle-là, comme c'est pas vraiment un problème de mon côté ^^ Tu veux pas pouvoir show-off a tout les invites qui viennet chez tes parents que tu etudies la medecine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smthg Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Ouf, inquiètes-toi pas, tous leurs amis le savent déjà Et tu vois, ville natale = pas d'appart à payer, ce qui est un bon deal en soi XD Des plans pour qu'on me demande dans les réunions de famille : "Hey, j'ai une tache bizarre sur le bras? Est-ce que j'ai le cancer?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windrive Posted May 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 McGill= prestige, better if you plan on doing residency out of province or US, heavier on traditional lectures, early clinical exposure UdeM= problem-based learning, small groups, plan on staying in Qbc for residency If it were up to me, I would choose based on: -language preference -traditional vs PBL teaching -plans for residency and beyond How much of this is actually true? Do UdeM students usually stay in Quebec and McGill students opt more for out of province and the states? (obviously not saying that one is better than another but it's interesting to knw the students career pans afterwards!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smthg Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I think there are more out-of-province/anglophone students in McGill, so it's bound to have a lower retention rate than a Quebec university who educates mainly francophones from Quebec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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