mig174 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Hey I want to find out if it's OK to be religious and then refuse someone treatment because of a religious reason (i.e. not giving birth control pills because they make women promiscuous and make them have premarital sex)? Also, is it OK to convert patients? For example, they want surgery, but I tell them that God guides my gamma knife and can they please pray to him so that I don't make a mistake. If the surgery is successful, then they prayed well enough and accepted God but if not, then God punished them for their sins, anyway. In any case, they are unbelievers and it is not great problem if God punishes them. I think all of this should be OK because a doctor has to be allowed freedom of religion and to excercise it in front of patients and be respected. Especially since it's so hard to become doctor, so clearly the doctor is very smart. Thank for reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mig174 Posted October 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 yes you were really offensive and I wonder: what religion are you? How do you know your God actually exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewB Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Hey I want to find out if it's OK to be religious and then refuse someone treatment because of a religious reason (i.e. not giving birth control pills because they make women promiscuous and make them have premarital sex)? Also, is it OK to convert patients? For example, they want surgery, but I tell them that God guides my gamma knife and can they please pray to him so that I don't make a mistake. If the surgery is successful, then they prayed well enough and accepted God but if not, then God punished them for their sins, anyway. In any case, they are unbelievers and it is not great problem if God punishes them. I think all of this should be OK because a doctor has to be allowed freedom of religion and to excercise it in front of patients and be respected. Especially since it's so hard to become doctor, so clearly the doctor is very smart. Thank for reading. God guides my gamma knife too. Just into different places than yours has ever been. YAY! This is a hilarious post. Thank you for making my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreaM Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 I think that a doctor has the right to refuse to do things that he/she would find immoral based on their religious views, but they should refer the patient to a different physician in that case. It is not appropriate to try to convert patients. It is not at all professional and infringes on the patient's rights to choose their own faith, especially if they are in a situation where they might feel pressured, such as the one that you described. Your freedoms should not impinge upon the freedoms of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontariostudent Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Hey I want to find out if it's OK to be religious and then refuse someone treatment because of a religious reason (i.e. not giving birth control pills because they make women promiscuous and make them have premarital sex)? Also, is it OK to convert patients? For example, they want surgery, but I tell them that God guides my gamma knife and can they please pray to him so that I don't make a mistake. If the surgery is successful, then they prayed well enough and accepted God but if not, then God punished them for their sins, anyway. In any case, they are unbelievers and it is not great problem if God punishes them. I think all of this should be OK because a doctor has to be allowed freedom of religion and to excercise it in front of patients and be respected. Especially since it's so hard to become doctor, so clearly the doctor is very smart. Thank for reading. Oh my goodness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitKat Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 hahahahahha ok....... Religion is against science (which is simply awful !! ) Then why the hell did you choose medicine as a career!?!? Put your believes away and CURE your patients, geez ! No question ! By the way, I read the Canadian deontology code yesterday (homework), and it explicitely says that your beliefs on whatever the subject cannot interfer with the patient's good. Obviously you are interfering with that principle when you refuse birth pills, or whatever it is. Even mentioning "god" would be wrong.... You are not a priest, you are a DOCTOR !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatonekid Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 God guides my gamma knife too. Just into different places than yours has ever been. YAY!lol! 10char Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Hey I want to find out if it's OK to be religious and then refuse someone treatment because of a religious reason (i.e. not giving birth control pills because they make women promiscuous and make them have premarital sex)? Also, is it OK to convert patients? For example, they want surgery, but I tell them that God guides my gamma knife and can they please pray to him so that I don't make a mistake. If the surgery is successful, then they prayed well enough and accepted God but if not, then God punished them for their sins, anyway. In any case, they are unbelievers and it is not great problem if God punishes them. I think all of this should be OK because a doctor has to be allowed freedom of religion and to excercise it in front of patients and be respected. Especially since it's so hard to become doctor, so clearly the doctor is very smart. Thank for reading. Doctors are not meant to be judgmental or preachers. Your ethical compass needs serious rewiring if you are going to become a physician. Tell the interviewer(s) representing adcom your views and they will take the necessary action in the best intereests of the profession. G-d help us all for the damage often done in your name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBP Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 of course you're not allowed to do this **** autonomy man, they may not believe in your religion, and even if they do believe in it, they have the right not to follow it premarital sex is not illegal. so what if women are promiscuous? men are allowed to be but women aren't? i hope you bring up these issues in your interview FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochi1543 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Some people in this thread need to have their sarcasm meter calibrated....lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musume Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Of course you're not allowed to do this. Keep your beliefs in an invisible man in the sky to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Some people in this thread need to have their sarcasm meter calibrated....lol. I can only assume this post is a complete joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1428 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 We can all be pretty sure that the OP is one of the following: 1. Being overly sarcastic, for GOD knows what reason. I cannot possibly fathom why. 2. Troll? Again, why? 3. Overzealous lunatic After a bit of searching, it's clear that OP=1. http://www.**DELETED**.com/user/mig174/comments/ Hey guys, great thread. I am applying this year but am not sure of when to submit my primary (reasons below). GPA: 3.89+ (UofT undergrad, neuro specialist + stats minor, 1st: 3.88, 2nd: 3.82, 3rd: 3.97) MCAT: 15/11/11 R (BS, VR, PS) EC: pathology lab volunteer @ MSH (clinical) hospital interpreter @ MSH piano concerts at hospitals @ MSH and TGH (7 total) organizer of piano program @ YCH for 2 years during high school 4 years worth of volunteering @ YCH (again, during high school) volunteer in hospital music programs (gr. 10 piano, if that matters anything) 2 years TA for first year science rhetoric & statistics course external affairs -> senior editor -> now chief editor of undergrad research journal ThinkFirst brainday volunteer research experience: 3 years in neurosci lab at sickkids invovled in various projects, 1x NSERC, 2x IMS summer fellowships 1 2nd author publication 1 2nd author publication submitted 1 5th author publications in preparation, to submit in 2 weeks or so 1 3rd author pub probably to be in preparation soon 1 1st author poster to be presented at an international conference (Neuroinformatics 2009) in Pilsen, Czech Republic LORs: 4 excellent ones + 1 ok one. I want to apply to MD/PhD programs in the states, but do you think it would be wise to wait a month or so that the 2 5th author papers are submitted and I hear back regarding the already submitted one? I don't feel very confident applying to MD/PhD with only one publication, and that in not a very good journal (the other ones will be in better journals), especially considering that my gpa & mcat are run-of-the-mill for MD/PhD applicants... Thanks for your input. But why raise this thread? Why here, of all places? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 If the surgery is successful, then they prayed well enough and accepted God but if not, then God punished them for their sins, anyway. In any case, they are unbelievers and it is not great problem if God punishes them. There is no religion (at least, none considered by our government) that would come to such a foolish deduction. If you were serious, I think you really need to work on your ethic. I'm not religious by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatonekid Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Hey I want to find out if it's OK to be religious and then refuse someone treatment because of a religious reason (i.e. not giving birth control pills because they make women promiscuous and make them have premarital sex)?Nope. Also, is it OK to convert patients?Nope. For example, they want surgery, but I tell them that God guides my gamma knife and can they please pray to him so that I don't make a mistake. If the surgery is successful, then they prayed well enough and accepted God but if not, then God punished them for their sins, anyway.Maybe they don't want to. Autonomy, anyone? In any case, they are unbelievers and it is not great problem if God punishes them.How thoughtful of you. I think all of this should be OKObviously you think so, but it's misguided. because a doctor has to be allowed freedom of religionYes, but... and to excercise it in front of patients and be respected....patients have rights too, including autonomy. Especially since it's so hard to become doctor, so clearly the doctor is very smart.Clearly. Thank for reading.You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supafield Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Hilarious on the **DELETED** comments. Prompted me to check my own internet name out find out if there was anything embarrassing. Unfortunately, I let hype machine's popular songs list play over and over while my computer was on mute. As a result in the list of my most listened to songs (most of which are awesome) was a song by Lady Gaga..... Very embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest viscous Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Of course you're not allowed to do this. Keep your beliefs in an invisible man in the sky to yourself. so If you somehow believed in a God, it would have been a man eh? And invisible one? I also am invisible to you right now and am a man. I am your god, bow to my knees you fool or I will send plagues on your med application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trymeover Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 We can all be pretty sure that the OP is one of the following: 1. Being overly sarcastic, for GOD knows what reason. I cannot possibly fathom why. 2. Troll? Again, why? 3. Overzealous lunatic After a bit of searching, it's clear that OP=1. http://www.**DELETED**.com/user/mig174/comments/ But why raise this thread? Why here, of all places? WOW! How are there like four people who commented after this post, but DID NOT even mention it! The probability of the initial poster being a troll is equal to the probability of..of..Ahmed92 being a troll! (Which is 100%) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supafield Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 WOW! How are there like four people who commented after this post, but DID NOT even mention it! The probability of the initial poster being a troll is equal to the probability of..of..Ahmed92 being a troll! (Which is 100%) Lol i talked about it.... it's absolutely hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trymeover Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Lol i talked about it.... it's absolutely hilarious Oh, you're right. But still, what about the other three people! This thread deserves to be on Digg's most popular or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Law Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 shake yo money makaa like somebody's 'bout to pay ya... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 WOW! How are there like four people who commented after this post, but DID NOT even mention it? Because he edited his post after ? But yes, that kind of thread should sink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Law Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Hilarious on the **DELETED** comments. Prompted me to check my own internet name out find out if there was anything embarrassing. Unfortunately, I let hype machine's popular songs list play over and over while my computer was on mute. As a result in the list of my most listened to songs (most of which are awesome) was a song by Lady Gaga..... Very embarrassing. haha that's just priceless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swank Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 hahahahahha ok....... Religion is against science (which is simply awful !! ) Then why the hell did you choose medicine as a career!?!? Put your believes away and CURE your patients, geez ! No question ! By the way, I read the Canadian deontology code yesterday (homework), and it explicitely says that your beliefs on whatever the subject cannot interfer with the patient's good. Obviously you are interfering with that principle when you refuse birth pills, or whatever it is. Even mentioning "god" would be wrong.... You are not a priest, you are a DOCTOR !!! That's completely wrong. Some of the most important scientific advances have come from religious figures or extremely religious people, from all regions in the world. Just some examples of Catholic Priests/Jesuits: Mendel (genetics), Bošković (unified theory and atomic theory), Kopernik (cosmology), Monsignor Lemaître (creationism/big-bang theory)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochi1543 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 LOL of the week, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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