Guest Physioprospect Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 where the heck is this. All the surgeons i know work like dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 where the heck is this. All the surgeons i know work like dogs Can't say that lines up with my understanding of a surgeon either - where is this and what type of surgeon? and on call if there is a surgery you have to come in and do it or at least supervise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legume Posted February 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 General surgery. The surgeons when on call just showed up and said 'hi' halfway during some surgeries and leave right after. The residents worked pretty hard but not the surgeons. This was at a major academic center as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Physioprospect Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 However, when it comes to the non-surgical surgical specialties like ophthalmology and..well, ophthalmology, the money is crazy awesome, and call is manageable to nonexistent. This is why I tell the medical students that rotate through my service to check out ophthalmology, because its pretty awesome. Most of the hidden stuff is. I am curious as to why opthamology is so well paid? Is it well paid for the private side of things (LASIK etc) or does a hospital funded optha get really well paid too and if yes what is it that they do? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerkoutnow2 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 best $$$/hr is anes/radiology very little overhead, good pay, relatively little stress (Since you have less responsibilities generally) FP is good but can be stressful, and i would pick FP just to get out early since it's only 2-years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Surgeries that once took six hours to perform with a week-long post-operative hospital stay included in the reimbursement now take 15 minutes and require no hospitalization. The fee schedule has not been updated to reflect this change. Technology is amazing. but they still have to update that I mean it really is a bit silly at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Physioprospect Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 but they still have to update that I mean it really is a bit silly at this point. its ridiculous what a waste of resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lactic Folly Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Anesthesia less stress and responsibility? When those O2 sats start dropping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronjw Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Anesthesia less stress and responsibility? When those O2 sats start dropping... then the adrenaline starts pumpin! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 then the adrenaline starts pumpin! lol ha 99% bordom (or pleasant serenity?) followed by 1% shear terror (or massive rush?) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngdad Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I for one am OK with making way less than specialists. I say this now, and maybe I will feel different after some years of practice, but seriously no family doctor should be complaining that they make less money than the anaesthesiologist or the radiologist or the surgeon. Have you seen what they do? You think you can do what they do? I am going to be giving emotional first aid to some old folks and making sure they are getting all the appropriate investigations to stay on top of their T2DM. I am going to be damn good at it too. Then I am going to be home in time for dinner. Its easy because I like it. I am dedicated to being great in my field, and I think I can have a work life balance that suits me. I am going to make enough cash to pay my debts, incorporate, have a nice home, live a good life and when its time to hang them up I will enjoy retirement. Who the heck cares if the cardiologist made triple what I did? He damn well deserved it. I love what I do and my life. To me the neurosurgeons are grossly underpaid for the stress of their job and lifestyle. Family docs please don't complain. From what I have seen, nobody could pay me enough to do any other specialty for the next 40 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futureGP Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I for one am OK with making way less than specialists. I say this now, and maybe I will feel different after some years of practice, but seriously no family doctor should be complaining that they make less money than the anaesthesiologist or the radiologist or the surgeon. Have you seen what they do? You think you can do what they do? I am going to be giving emotional first aid to some old folks and making sure they are getting all the appropriate investigations to stay on top of their T2DM. I am going to be damn good at it too. Then I am going to be home in time for dinner. Its easy because I like it. I am dedicated to being great in my field, and I think I can have a work life balance that suits me. I am going to make enough cash to pay my debts, incorporate, have a nice home, live a good life and when its time to hang them up I will enjoy retirement. Who the heck cares if the cardiologist made triple what I did? He damn well deserved it. I love what I do and my life. To me the neurosurgeons are grossly underpaid for the stress of their job and lifestyle. Family docs please don't complain. From what I have seen, nobody could pay me enough to do any other specialty for the next 40 years. i dont think any FM thinks they should be paid more than specialists, and if they do then there is a problem, i've heard that FMs get paid less for the same service they do as specialists, is that true? i wonder why given the service provided is same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus89 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Yet more anti-FM spewing from brooksbane... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I think a lot of the dissatisfaction of primary care stems from how often they're told that they are sooooo important yet get paid less than the "less important" physicians. Cognitive dissonance is the worst kind of pain. Maybe we have to start telling family docs that they aren't so important, only necessary but easily replaceable. Maybe then there will be less of a grumbling insecurity with money. But frankly speaking, I've never met a family doc that impressed me with their skills or knowledge. It shouldn't be considered a specialty. They just do a necessary job that is required to prevent the cogs of the government funded health care system from seizing up. Nothing more. I doubt telling some group they aren't important only necessary will make them agree to less pay - Or start grumbling less as you call it It would likely cause the exact opposite effect. I mean necessary isn't always the same thing as important but in this case I think they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarakj Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I am amazed when people think radiologists have no stress.. maybe you should spend a day in a radiology department to get a better sense. And love it even more when people think they do not have responsibilities. Maybe You should look into lawsuits against radiologist.. As physician, we should stop talking about other specialties we are not trained in... We are the big source of what is happening in the health care system with all the cuts.. STOP counting other physicians salary for god sake and do something more productive.... best $$$/hr is anes/radiology very little overhead, good pay, relatively little stress (Since you have less responsibilities generally) FP is good but can be stressful, and i would pick FP just to get out early since it's only 2-years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JewelLeigh Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I think a lot of the dissatisfaction of primary care stems from how often they're told that they are sooooo important yet get paid less than the "less important" physicians. Cognitive dissonance is the worst kind of pain. Maybe we have to start telling family docs that they aren't so important, only necessary but easily replaceable. Maybe then there will be less of a grumbling insecurity with money. But frankly speaking, I've never met a family doc that impressed me with their skills or knowledge. It shouldn't be considered a specialty. They just do a necessary job that is required to prevent the cogs of the government funded health care system from seizing up. Nothing more. What an ignorant and ridiculous group of things to say. Brooksbane, I have tolerated your "holier than thou" posts with some gritting my teeth, some baffled laughs at my computer screen and most of all some empathy for you as a colleague who seems to have been burned by the imperfect CaRMS system. While I will continue to grit my teeth and laugh at your audacity and arrogance, any empathy or understanding I felt for you along with any respect is now gone. I have worked and trained in more than 10 different hospitals in 3 provinces and have rarely come across a colleague who would have the gall to level such a disrespectful set of comments, particularly in a public forum at a group of hardworking and talented colleagues. Shame on you. While I will leave my own skill level out of it, as I am a new and still learning early physician, there are many family physicians as well as specialists who have blown me away with their massive array of skills and knowledge. Perhaps Brooksbane you have chosen to live in a bubble of tertiary care or in a bubble of denial. Or, perhaps you simply take the poor attitude you demonstrate on these forums and apply that negativity towards family medicine colleagues with unprecedented and almost unbelievable amounts of bias by picking and choosing the cases that the family doctor "missed" and ignoring the many sound and intelligent referrals that come from this group of generalists who you degrade for knowing a little about a lot rather than a lot about a little. As far as skills and knowledge go, while you may have surgical skills and medical knowledge, I can say that based on your posts here, that you severely lack in the category of people skills - in my opinion, one of the most important for any career in medicine and certainly one of the most important in life in general. I responded in this case in hopes of showing the other side to those students considering family medicine, but will not respond to any of your sure-to-be derogatory and/or inflammatory posts in reply to this post for the same reasons that I choose to ignore and/or barely tolerate ignorant and arrogant people like you seem to be - it's a waste of my time and mental effort. To those considering family medicine - don't listen to this crap. I love my job and am MORE than satisfied with how much money I make, as are most of my friends and colleagues in family medicine. I live outside the world of tertiary care though as a family doctor who also practices ER, I often have to consult with specialists in tertiary centres and have rarely, if ever, have experienced the level of disrespect that Brooksbane clearly feels towards family medicine. 95% of the time my experience in communicating and working with specialists is extremely positive. In general, I am humbled by the respect that I am granted by my patients, my community and the VAST majority of my colleagues, both family medicine and specialist. I enjoy my time at work almost all days and feel extremely satisfied with my work in all respects. If I could go back and make this career choice again, I would do so, again and again, without hesitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justletmein Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I think a lot of the dissatisfaction of primary care stems from how often they're told that they are sooooo important yet get paid less than the "less important" physicians. Cognitive dissonance is the worst kind of pain. Maybe we have to start telling family docs that they aren't so important, only necessary but easily replaceable. Maybe then there will be less of a grumbling insecurity with money. But frankly speaking, I've never met a family doc that impressed me with their skills or knowledge. It shouldn't be considered a specialty. They just do a necessary job that is required to prevent the cogs of the government funded health care system from seizing up. Nothing more. Ahhh, so easy to say sh*t like that on an internet forum, eh? You are such a moron. I will defer to the well-written response above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Beef Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Thank you. What an ignorant and ridiculous group of things to say. Brooksbane, I have tolerated your "holier than thou" posts with some gritting my teeth, some baffled laughs at my computer screen and most of all some empathy for you as a colleague who seems to have been burned by the imperfect CaRMS system. While I will continue to grit my teeth and laugh at your audacity and arrogance, any empathy or understanding I felt for you along with any respect is now gone. I have worked and trained in more than 10 different hospitals in 3 provinces and have rarely come across a colleague who would have the gall to level such a disrespectful set of comments, particularly in a public forum at a group of hardworking and talented colleagues. Shame on you. While I will leave my own skill level out of it, as I am a new and still learning early physician, there are many family physicians as well as specialists who have blown me away with their massive array of skills and knowledge. Perhaps Brooksbane you have chosen to live in a bubble of tertiary care or in a bubble of denial. Or, perhaps you simply take the poor attitude you demonstrate on these forums and apply that negativity towards family medicine colleagues with unprecedented and almost unbelievable amounts of bias by picking and choosing the cases that the family doctor "missed" and ignoring the many sound and intelligent referrals that come from this group of generalists who you degrade for knowing a little about a lot rather than a lot about a little. As far as skills and knowledge go, while you may have surgical skills and medical knowledge, I can say that based on your posts here, that you severely lack in the category of people skills - in my opinion, one of the most important for any career in medicine and certainly one of the most important in life in general. I responded in this case in hopes of showing the other side to those students considering family medicine, but will not respond to any of your sure-to-be derogatory and/or inflammatory posts in reply to this post for the same reasons that I choose to ignore and/or barely tolerate ignorant and arrogant people like you seem to be - it's a waste of my time and mental effort. To those considering family medicine - don't listen to this crap. I love my job and am MORE than satisfied with how much money I make, as are most of my friends and colleagues in family medicine. I live outside the world of tertiary care though as a family doctor who also practices ER, I often have to consult with specialists in tertiary centres and have rarely, if ever, have experienced the level of disrespect that Brooksbane clearly feels towards family medicine. 95% of the time my experience in communicating and working with specialists is extremely positive. In general, I am humbled by the respect that I am granted by my patients, my community and the VAST majority of my colleagues, both family medicine and specialist. I enjoy my time at work almost all days and feel extremely satisfied with my work in all respects. If I could go back and make this career choice again, I would do so, again and again, without hesitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloh Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I for one am OK with making way less than specialists. I say this now, and maybe I will feel different after some years of practice, but seriously no family doctor should be complaining that they make less money than the anaesthesiologist or the radiologist or the surgeon. Have you seen what they do? You think you can do what they do? They play crossword puzzles and sudoku? No, I was never good at either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastriss Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I think GPs have it made really well. Around where I've trained, you're going to be making significantly more money as a family doc with the hours you're working than the average specialist, barring some specialties like ophtho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngdad Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Yah, I was a bit harsh and for that I offer my apologies. I was out of line, and in a generally bad state of mind when I wrote that. I still maintain my general disapproval for the cfpc. But i will also share that I do know of a great number of colleagues and former classmates who are in Family medicine and were always the picture of what a great physician should be. Their patients are lucky. Again, my above comments were unfounded. I apologize for any offense or bad feelings I have caused. I for one appreciate this apology. I felt like blasting you, but your response here has quelled the urge. I would have just made a fool of myself anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da_birdie Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Time for me to hover into this thread. Just did my 2012 taxes few days ago 4 years into practice (Greater Vancouver Area, Mixed hospital/clinic practice. No call. No OB. No ER.) Avg hours/week of work: 44 (including paperwork & 40-min lunch break, excluding commute) # weeks vacation/year: 5 Net practice income (Post-clinic-overhead/split, Pre-tax): ~300k Looking forward to BC's new complex-disease fee codes for pregnant/cancer/frail patients, and new telephone-visit fees ($15/call) starting April 2013. Planning to cut hours in 2013, down to ~40hrs/week to have better lifestyle.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Physioprospect Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Time for me to hover into this thread. Just did my 2012 taxes few days ago 4 years into practice (Greater Vancouver Area, Mixed hospital/clinic practice. No call. No OB. No ER.) Avg hours/week of work: 44 (including paperwork & 40-min lunch break, excluding commute) # weeks vacation/year: 5 Net practice income (Post-clinic-overhead/split, Pre-tax): ~300k Looking forward to BC's new complex-disease fee codes for pregnant/cancer/frail patients, and new telephone-visit fees ($15/call) starting April 2013. Planning to cut hours in 2013, down to ~40hrs/week to have better lifestyle.. Geeze how do you bill so high? I know GPs who work 50 hrs a week and pre-clinic split, bill 250k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnface Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Geeze how do you bill so high? I know GPs who work 50 hrs a week and pre-clinic split, bill 250k those GPs are doing something wrong.... those numbers make no sense and are bordering on the absurd. you sure they're not lying to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 If you're seeing 40 patients a day.. that's about 1600$ a day. Times that by 250 days of working and that's 400k/year. Just a general model, but the key in making money for GPs is seeing tons of patients. If you can do it, you'll make as much as a specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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