NotYourAverageJane Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 well it appears rejections are being sent once again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuD Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I haven't been following too closely today. Still no invites since the initial rejection --> invite group right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quackster Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 so is there any merit to disputing the conflict in the selection method they published at application time and the method they used? Or does that just make one a nit-picky s**t disturber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatonekid Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 so is there any merit to disputing the conflict in the selection method they published at application time and the method they used? Or does that just make one a nit-picky s**t disturber?Not really. They likely have some type of official clause along the lines of "We reserve the right to change the process without notice to the applicants." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quackster Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Clearly a very likely lost cause, but it obviously affected how applicants approached the application including, or not including info on the sketch. Financially, I know I can stomach the application fee, but I feel sorry for the person who could have used that money for something important. ...just letting off steam...what this place is for, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantcatchme Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I'm looking at the stats of those who got rejected and those who got invited.. And there isn't a significant difference that I can see.. I'm very confused.......... It seems very disorganized and a bit random/unexpected.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funnyboy6 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I'm guessing, based on a rough look, that the mcat cutoffs are: 10, 10, 10, Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janitor09 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I'm guessing, based on a rough look, that the mcat cutoffs are:10, 10, 10, Q There don't seem to be MCAT cutoffs this year. Do more research, and you'll see extremely low MCAT grades getting interviews. I've seen an an 8 and several 9s in VR, 9's in both PS and BS, and Q WS all get interviews. grumble grumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBP Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 There don't seem to be MCAT cutoffs this year. Do more research, and you'll see extremely low MCAT grades getting interviews. I've seen an an 8 and several 9s in VR, 9's in both PS and BS, and Q WS all get interviews.grumble grumble. Nobody got an interview w/ 9 VR?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 So frustrating that they changed everything around this year. This was one of the schools with the most transparent process: make the cutoffs, then 100% interview. So simple. Now it's as clear as mud, just like U of T or maybe worse, because no one knows anything about Queens' "preferences" (like volunteering or research or GPA or whatever). At least everyone knows U of T is big on research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Nobody got an interview w/ 9 VR?? Someone got one with a VR 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBP Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Someone got one with a VR 8. I'm sure that's a mistake. Must have a better MCAT with 10VR or above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janitor09 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 I'm sure that's a mistake. Must have a better MCAT with 10VR or above. Maybe that poster is an anomaly, but there are 9's in both phys and bio. Regardless, it seems that mcat makes up some unknown fraction of an admission formula. And a small fraction at that (people getting accepted with 31's or 32's, people getting rejected with >35). Post observations suggest that interview decisions were not largely based upon mcat or gpa. But on that note, people with seemingly great EC's got rejected, as did people with medium-high everything. I can't find a hard conclusion regarding anything the adcom bases an invite upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBP Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Maybe that poster is an anomaly, but there are 9's in both phys and bio. Regardless, it seems that mcat makes up some unknown fraction of an admission formula. And a small fraction at that (people getting accepted with 31's or 32's, people getting rejected with >35). Post observations suggest that interview decisions were not largely based upon mcat or gpa. But on that note, people with seemingly great EC's got rejected, as did people with medium-high everything. I can't find a hard conclusion regarding anything the adcom bases an invite upon. In Queen's system, it's doubtful to have anomalies. If so, you wouldn't see every single person with a 9VR getting refused. In other systems, like UofT or Mac, you might see a 3.2 GPA, or an 8VR, but not with Queen's. Queen's has hard GPA/MCAT cuts (like UWO). I'm certain that if the MCAT VR cut was 8VR, you would see at least one person with 9VR getting an interview. The cut is most likely 9BS, 10VR, 9PS, Q. Hopefully the 8VR poster can get back to us with their best MCAT VR result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janitor09 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 In Queen's system, it's doubtful to have anomalies. If so, you wouldn't see every single person with a 9VR getting refused. In other systems, like UofT or Mac, you might see a 3.2 GPA, or an 8VR, but not with Queen's. Queen's has hard GPA/MCAT cuts (like UWO). I'm certain that if the MCAT VR cut was 8VR, you would see at least one person with 9VR getting an interview. The cut is most likely 9BS, 10VR, 9PS, Q. Hopefully the 8VR poster can get back to us with their best MCAT VR result. Queen's seems to be shaking things up. Lots of high gpa/mcat posters demonstrate that whatever the old rules were, they're now thrown out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkhome071590 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 so basically, meeting the GPA (whether cGPA or last two years) and the MCAT cutoffs are no longer guarantees for interviews anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpy Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 so basically, meeting the GPA (whether cGPA or last two years) and the MCAT cutoffs are no longer guarantees for interviews anymore? Correct. Western is now the only school in Canada with this guarantee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBP Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Queen's seems to be shaking things up. Lots of high gpa/mcat posters demonstrate that whatever the old rules were, they're now thrown out the window. No, they're not. They still operate on cut-offs. They just have one more screen (the ABS). See the post-interview weightings thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janitor09 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 No, they're not. They still operate on cut-offs. They just have one more screen (the ABS). See the post-interview weightings thread. My ABS is my strongest element. I'm very lost and confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBP Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 My ABS is my strongest element. I'm very lost and confused. Sorry to hear it. That's the subjectivity of this process. Don't give up though, you have the stats, and I'm sure it'll work out for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpy Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 My ABS is my strongest element. I'm very lost and confused. It can be so subjective. I just received an ABS score that's in the bottom 10% at University of Calgary, but I made it to an interview at Queen's. Basically, it appears as if Calgary penalized me for facing adversity several years ago whereas Queen's likes that I overcame it and have done a lot since. It really depends on who is reading your application. Take solace in the fact that if your ECs are strong, if you apply to enough schools you'll land invites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juicy.Fruit Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Take solace in the fact that if your ECs are strong, if you apply to enough schools you'll land invites. I really hope that is true... other than Western, everything has been bad news for me so far. I applied to most schools across BC to ON.. (atleast I survived today's UofT rejectons). According to Calgary, I have an above average EC among the OOP that made the full-file review, but not enough to get me an interview. I have the numbers.. so i have my fingers crossed for ottawa, toronto and alberta. I just don't want to end up banking everything on Western interview alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medisforme Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 After examining the invite/rejection stats, I began to think about the MCAT/gpa "cutoffs." It seems in the past, you make those cutoffs you get an interview, which is not the case anymore. I was wondering if making the cutoffs merely gets you to the next stage in evaluating the application (ABS sketch). Such that everyone who makes the cutoffs is on an even playing field when their ABS/LOR's are evaluated. The other possibility is that you earn points from your MCAT/gpa depending on where you land on the academic continuum after the cutoff point (ie. 3.7ish >>> 4.0 and 30Q>>>45T). Next, whatever academic points you garner is added to your points earned from your ABS sketch (similar to UBC's application for those who are familiar). In this scenerio, someone who barely made the cutoff, though has impressive EC's may still be at a disadvantage to someone who has high MCAT/gpa and average to slightly above average EC's. This may account for some of the irregularities re: stats we have seen, in the invite/rejection thread. Though tempering this is the fact that everyone seems to think their EC's are above average. However, without any insight to how they evaluate the LOR's / ABS sketch this is all just interesting chat room speculation for those of us who are upset at not being invited for an interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBP Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I think MCAT/GPA are thrown out once you make the cutoff, and ABS is solely the differentiating factor at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatonekid Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I'm guessing, based on a rough look, that the mcat cutoffs are:10, 10, 10, Q It's more like 9/10(VR)/9 Q with a 30+ overall After examining the invite/rejection stats, I began to think about the MCAT/gpa "cutoffs." It seems in the past, you make those cutoffs you get an interview, which is not the case anymore. I was wondering if making the cutoffs merely gets you to the next stage in evaluating the application (ABS sketch). Such that everyone who makes the cutoffs is on an even playing field when their ABS/LOR's are evaluated. The other possibility is that you earn points from your MCAT/gpa depending on where you land on the academic continuum after the cutoff point (ie. 3.7ish >>> 4.0 and 30Q>>>45T). Next, whatever academic points you garner is added to your points earned from your ABS sketch (similar to UBC's application for those who are familiar). In this scenerio, someone who barely made the cutoff, though has impressive EC's may still be at a disadvantage to someone who has high MCAT/gpa and average to slightly above average EC's. This may account for some of the irregularities re: stats we have seen, in the invite/rejection thread. Though tempering this is the fact that everyone seems to think their EC's are above average. However, without any insight to how they evaluate the LOR's / ABS sketch this is all just interesting chat room speculation for those of us who are upset at not being invited for an interview. Regarding the bolded, I think that's the way it's working now. Kind of like Ottawa, where if you meet the GPA cutoff they then base the interview decisions on your ABS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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