cnb88 Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 I do..and I work part time during school... I kind of want a longer-term assessment of applicants rather than a CV sketch and a one-day interview. It'll be like cutting people slowly from the boot camp I like that idea. As much as people think it's hard to "fake" an MMI, it's not. It'd be a lot harder to fake a personality for a week as opposed to just faking for 8 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Hood Posted September 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 I do..and I work part time during school... I kind of want a longer-term assessment of applicants rather than a CV sketch and a one-day interview. It'll be like cutting people slowly from the boot camp And how should this be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumanmacbook Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 And how should this be done? Pre-med bootcamp. Survival of the fittest. Battle Royale. I'm not sure. Perhaps this is where an actual "pre-med degree" for four years...of intense labor and rigorous continued testing and psychological assessment where we select 150 of the fittest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedPen Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Pre-med bootcamp. Survival of the fittest. Battle Royale. I'm not sure. Perhaps this is where an actual "pre-med degree" for four years...of intense labor and rigorous continued testing and psychological assessment where we select 150 of the fittest? When did being a smart, motivated, and reasonable "good" human being stop being enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumanmacbook Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 When did being a smart, motivated, and reasonable "good" human being stop being enough? When the number of seats doesn't match the number of "smart, motivated, and reasonably "good" human beings" available for selection. So we have to look for smarter, more motivated, and better human beings? I'm not sure either. I'm really just throwing a random idea out there to solve our admissions problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronjw Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 When did being a smart, motivated, and reasonable "good" human being stop being enough? in Ontario, roughly what, 10% of applicants get interviews of which I suspect the majority of them are smart, motivate and reasonable good human beings. So how do you differentiate between each one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedPen Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 in Ontario, roughly what, 10% of applicants get interviews of which I suspect the majority of them are smart, motivate and reasonable good human beings. So how do you differentiate between each one? Honestly, there is no fair way but I feel like objective is always better than subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Subjectively, lol, I agree with your objectivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Hood Posted September 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 haha, you belong in adcom as you are flexible and willing to listen! Yes, unlike real adcoms who don't care about the applicants' or potential applicants' opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBoss Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 I would make holding a customer service job at some point mandatory. A lot of people could learn a lot about how to interact with people (especially when they are sometimes angry) from a job like this. It can be very humbling. I had a customer service job before, and I can honestly say I learned nothing from it. Really, in a lot of service jobs that you can get in/straight out of high school, employee expectations are really low; you don't have to perform well to keep your job. The job I had can have a place on my CV now, but I'd say it's a poor indicator of interpersonal skills. Probably the only thing you could reliably infer from my having that job was that I could afford to go to the movies on weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontohopeful Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 I had a customer service job before, and I can honestly say I learned nothing from it. Really, in a lot of service jobs that you can get in/straight out of high school, employee expectations are really low; you don't have to perform well to keep your job. The job I had can have a place on my CV now, but I'd say it's a poor indicator of interpersonal skills. Probably the only thing you could reliably infer from my having that job was that I could afford to go to the movies on weekends. I never managed to get a customer service job I just wanted experience, but it always seemed like you needed experience to get more experience, so I just threw in the towel. But it would be nice to have money for movies, clothes, fun stuff, agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma15 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 50% MCAT score, 50% GPA, and a pass/fail interview that only weeds out the freaks and sociopaths. I would probably use those + MMI + additional panel interviews (maybe 3-5 panels). The weeding out process should be thorough!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubcMDhopeful Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 60% GPA 20% MCAT/Research 20% Interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lactic Folly Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 MCAT/GPA/non-academic qualities cutoff. Then place candidates in real-life ethical situations or have people ask them for help, Candid Camera-style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedPen Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 None of this MMI crap. Med admissions committees are incredulously pretentious in how they select their students, as if they are entering some sort of ordained sainthood. Contrast this to basically every other profession, which does it the old-fashioned time tested way of interviews and marks. Plus, these stupid new techniques do nothing to produce better physicians. They just make admissions committees look like they're earning their keep. Stupid. Not sure I agree. I'm usually against making people jump thru excessive hoops to be a doctor but I don't think the MMI is stupid. It tests how you think on your feet, a wide variety of answers are acceptable, you are judged by more than one person and if you mess up one station, it doesn't tank your whole interview. Overall, I'd say that as far as interviews go, it's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I'm with you on this one MedPen. Lactic Folly too says the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mm88 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 The one traditional interview I had, was the school I got waitlisted at. If it were not for the MMI, I probably would have never gotten in anywhere. Scrap the traditional interview! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBoss Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I have a few gripes with your suggestions brooksbane Doing premed-style volunteering and other classic premed things would be given negative points.Do you actually think it's better that applicants to medicine don't have exposure to health care through routes such as volunteering? Not counting it I would consider justifiable, but I would prefer if applicants didn't commit to medicine blind.Interview: this is to find out the motivation for going into medicine. If its to please the parents, the recommendation would be that one should have their umbilical cord severed before becoming a doctor. Money is fine as long as its tempered in reality. Helping people alone doesn't cut it. Helping people with the responsibilities of a leader however does....etc. If you have a valid, reliable method of determining applicants' true motivations, I'm sure adcoms would love to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD2015 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 If you have a valid, reliable method of determining applicants' true motivations, I'm sure adcoms would love to hear it. Phonies do get through the system. All aspects of society, including medicine, reflect the good and the bad (just like on this forum). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeman101 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 The one traditional interview I had, was the school I got waitlisted at. If it were not for the MMI, I probably would have never gotten in anywhere. Scrap the traditional interview! LMAO! +1 I hate MMI's but it turns out I'm quite successful at them....but I still hate them. I'd make burn out a prereq. Refer to my post: http://premed101.com/forums/showpost.php?p=634041&postcount=21165 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 YAY MMI! ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourning Cloak Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 I had a mediocre GPA and unimpressive MCAT. I totally got in thanks to the MMI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 ironically, the sociopaths would score at the top of the interview if it was scored, i always love how people assume sociopaths are weird, crazy people, if they're educated, come from a good background, sociopaths often dominate positions of government and are often extremely successful, firing 10,000 people at a whim without any thought is just as violent (or should cause as much "guilt" or empathy) as throwing a punch... you would weed out the aspergers people though, who could be very good doctors 50% MCAT score, 50% GPA, and a pass/fail interview that only weeds out the freaks and sociopaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 interestingly enough, lots of pharmacy schools use mmi style interviews now too Not sure I agree. I'm usually against making people jump thru excessive hoops to be a doctor but I don't think the MMI is stupid. It tests how you think on your feet, a wide variety of answers are acceptable, you are judged by more than one person and if you mess up one station, it doesn't tank your whole interview. Overall, I'd say that as far as interviews go, it's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Hood Posted October 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 ironically, the sociopaths would score at the top of the interview if it was scored, i always love how people assume sociopaths are weird, crazy people, if they're educated, come from a good background, sociopaths often dominate positions of government and are often extremely successful, firing 10,000 people at a whim without any thought is just as violent (or should cause as much "guilt" or empathy) as throwing a punch... you would weed out the aspergers people though, who could be very good doctors But I doubt people with Asperger can effectively communicate with patients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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