Guest frustratedpremed Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I was wondering if there are people who get into medical school, but really shouldn't. By that I mean people who want to pursue a career in medicine not because they want to help people, but because they are motivated by the monetary reward. I know people who say they want to become doctors because they earn alot of money. These people also have not really done any extra-curriculars or anything to show that they are fit for this kind of career other than getting extremely stellar grades. As well, these are people who plan on making up their list of EC's and having family/friends write them LORs. I just get frustrated at people like this who say they want to get into medical school and because they think they can just cause they get super high marks, whereas there are other people like me who do a lot more, but because my marks aren't that high, I feel like I would be left out. I guess I'm just asking if anyone here know of people who got into med school really just through luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markov79 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 in b4 money argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hex Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Getting the marks required to get into med school isn't luck, it's hard work. While I don't agree with people making up the EC's, motivation is motivation. Just because you are passionate about helping people (person A) doesn't make you more qualified than somehow who is motivated through the monetary rewards (person of med school. For example, let's say I'm more passionate about basketball than Allen Iverson. I care about practice yadda yadda yadda, while he doesn't. Does that make me more qualified to play in the NBA than he? No. Sure, if he was as passionate as I, he could probably be even better than he was. However, it still doesn't change the fact that he is much more qualified to play basketball than I am. You could go into the argument that person B would likely not have the patients best interest when they're practicing compared to person A, but you really can't make that assumption unless you really get to know someone's character, which is much different from what motivates them to pursue med in the first place. But lets be serious, if Dr's got paid <100k a yr working full time after residency, I can guarantee that med would be much less competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditde Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Getting the marks required to get into med school isn't luck, it's hard work. While I don't agree with people making up the EC's, motivation is motivation. Just because you are passionate about helping people (person A) doesn't make you more qualified than somehow who is motivated through the monetary rewards (person of med school. For example, let's say I'm more passionate about basketball than Allen Iverson. I care about practice yadda yadda yadda, while he doesn't. Does that make me more qualified to play in the NBA than he? No. Sure, if he was as passionate as I, he could probably be even better than he was. However, it still doesn't change the fact that he is much more qualified to play basketball than I am. You could go into the argument that person B would likely not have the patients best interest when they're practicing compared to person A, but you really can't make that assumption unless you really get to know someone's character, which is much different from what motivates them to pursue med in the first place. But lets be serious, if Dr's got paid <100k a yr working full time after residency, I can guarantee that med would be much less competitive. Using Iverson as an example of someone who lacks passion for basketball is flat-out wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerkstore Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Y...You can make up EC's? ....I'll be right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBoss Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Using Iverson as an example of someone who lacks passion for basketball is flat-out wrong. It was hypothetical, the relevant aspects of his/her scenario still stand. If you still don't like it, then just replace Iverson with Barry Sanders and basketball for football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronjw Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 It was hypothetical, the relevant aspects of his/her scenario still stand. If you still don't like it, then just replace Iverson with Barry Sanders and basketball for football. Barry had passion. You'd have to have passion to stand behind the O-line's that he had whilst trying to run for his life. His play making and ability was a measure of trying not to be killed in the line of duty lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBoss Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Barry had passion. You'd have to have passion to stand behind the O-line's that he had whilst trying to run for his life. His play making and ability was a measure of trying not to be killed in the line of duty lol Eh, I'm not the only one who was under the impression that he just didn't like football that much, but ya, the lions sure did give him a hell of a time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronjw Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Eh, I'm not the only one who was under the impression that he just didn't like football that much, but ya, the lions sure did give him a hell of a time I know. Just trying to make a joke out of it. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzah Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 It was hypothetical, the relevant aspects of his/her scenario still stand. If you still don't like it, then just replace Iverson with Barry Sanders and basketball for football. You trying to run head first into 300 lb guys? People may slip through the cracks because of incorrect intentions, however they got to medical school through the same system you are going through. If you are angry or upset at these people, ask yourself what you can do better. OP, why don't you get higher marks like those other people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronjw Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 If things go bad for you And make you a bit ashamed Often you will find out that You have yourself to blame Swiftly we ran to mischief And then the bad luck came Why do we fault others? We have ourselves to blame Whatever happens to us, Here is what we say "Had it not been for so-and-so Things wouldn't have gone that way." And if you are short of friends, I'll tell you what to do Make an examination, You'll find the faults in you... Your the captain of your ship, So agree with the same If you travel downward You have yourself to blame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Hood Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Luck plays a role in marks, and in everything else in life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrogirl Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Luck plays a role in marks, and in everything else in life... Yes it does. Everyone who got into med school got there at least in part because of luck. The very fact that we're all sitting around on the internet right now with our fancy electricity and we didn't dye of malaria when were babies is because we got lucky. I'm not even trying to be sarcastic here. People rarely think about how much of what they have is because of things entirely out of their control. It doesn't make you a bad person or mean that you aren't hard-working or whatever else. But people get into med school usually because they worked hard and also because a lot of fortunate things happened to them that they didn't cause to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 If things go bad for youAnd make you a bit ashamed Often you will find out that You have yourself to blame Swiftly we ran to mischief And then the bad luck came Why do we fault others? We have ourselves to blame Whatever happens to us, Here is what we say "Had it not been for so-and-so Things wouldn't have gone that way." And if you are short of friends, I'll tell you what to do Make an examination, You'll find the faults in you... Your the captain of your ship, So agree with the same If you travel downward You have yourself to blame Rocky says it best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markov79 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 speaking of slipping through the cracks... what happened to malodrax? LOL. i heard he got in some hot water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBoss Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I know. Just trying to make a joke out of it. lol You trying to run head first into 300 lb guys? Barry was too evasive to ever have to do that speaking of slipping through the cracks... what happened to malodrax? LOL. i heard he got in some hot water. Last i remember he was put in for psychiatric evaluation or something, and i think he was to be monitored but could still go through med school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esus Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 speaking of slipping through the cracks... what happened to malodrax? LOL. i heard he got in some hot water. Haha this forum knows about Malodrax? He is famous over on the bodybuilding forums. Last I heard he got put on limited patient contact at his med school after his dean found out about the stuff he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditde Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 It was hypothetical, the relevant aspects of his/her scenario still stand. If you still don't like it, then just replace Iverson with Barry Sanders and basketball for football. Sure. I just thought it was weird that you used Iverson of all people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Yes it does. Everyone who got into med school got there at least in part because of luck. The very fact that we're all sitting around on the internet right now with our fancy electricity and we didn't dye of malaria when were babies is because we got lucky. I'm not even trying to be sarcastic here. People rarely think about how much of what they have is because of things entirely out of their control. It doesn't make you a bad person or mean that you aren't hard-working or whatever else. But people get into med school usually because they worked hard and also because a lot of fortunate things happened to them that they didn't cause to happen. Gotta be good to be lucky, and you gotta be lucky to be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Your reason for going into medicine shouldn't be one-dimensional; whether that's to "help people" or to "make money". It should be a combination of a lot of different factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medguy5367 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Your reason for going into medicine shouldn't be one-dimensional; whether that's to "help people" or to "make money". It should be a combination of a lot of different factors. What??? You mean a doctor that loves making tons of money ISN'T the devil incarnate? Bizzare! Seriously though, LOL at the OP's naive and narrow-minded original post. I don't know what fantasyland you're living in, but people get a JOB to earn MONEY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBCStudent128 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I was wondering if there are people who get into medical school, but really shouldn't. By that I mean people who want to pursue a career in medicine not because they want to help people, but because they are motivated by the monetary reward.I know people who say they want to become doctors because they earn alot of money. These people also have not really done any extra-curriculars or anything to show that they are fit for this kind of career other than getting extremely stellar grades. As well, these are people who plan on making up their list of EC's and having family/friends write them LORs. I just get frustrated at people like this who say they want to get into medical school and because they think they can just cause they get super high marks, whereas there are other people like me who do a lot more, but because my marks aren't that high, I feel like I would be left out. I guess I'm just asking if anyone here know of people who got into med school really just through luck. So to be a doctor you shouldn't be motivated by monetary rewards? Lol mmm okay. this is real life. Do you think getting stellar grades is easy? Using your logic, your friends could say "I jut get frustrated at people who think they can get into medical school just because they do a lot of EC's and resume pad"... I don't know why you are determining what factor should motivate you to do which job. And if you're not motivated about monetary rewards then I suggest you go work for minimum wage for awhile and try to pay for your mortgage/insurance/food/ etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holiday1001 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 i think it's been much-repeated that being a doctor isn't about the money. the brutal years of training will test your resolve, and money will only go so far. or at least from what I read on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerkstore Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 What??? You mean a doctor that loves making tons of money ISN'T the devil incarnate? Bizzare! Seriously though, LOL at the OP's naive and narrow-minded original post. I don't know what fantasyland you're living in, but people get a JOB to earn MONEY. Not me maaaan. I'd be a doctor for minimum wage (he says in blissful ignorance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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