AllSmiles Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Good luck with that ADD101....I don't think I can take that many more years of school.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.BadVibes Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 The highest wages are generally earned by specialists, such as orthodontists and periodontists. These specialized dentists can make as much as $200,000 a year." Is this a reasonable estimate for how much you will make? Perio?? Are you serious? Who the heck would wanna do perio! Here are official stats from the ADA on the earnings of specialists......they are a few years old, but should give you a general idea: Oral Surgery $336,000 Endo $303,900 Pedo $294,430 Ortho $279,440 Perio $216,430 Prosth $190,970 Ive actually heard the more recent numbers show that pedo actually overtook endo as #2 next to OMFS due to the influx of rotary endo technology in recent years, but I cant seem to find the most recent ADA survey.... oh well it doesnt matter......just do what you love and the money will come.....if you love kids, as you can see, PEDO IS GREAT.....We are desperate for more pediatric dentists!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contach Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Perio?? Are you serious? Who the heck would wanna do perio! Here are official stats from the ADA on the earnings of specialists......they are a few years old, but should give you a general idea: Oral Surgery $336,000 Endo $303,900 Pedo $294,430 Ortho $279,440 Perio $216,430 Prosth $190,970 Ive actually heard the more recent numbers show that pedo actually overtook endo as #2 next to OMFS due to the influx of rotary endo technology in recent years, but I cant seem to find the most recent ADA survey.... oh well it doesnt matter......just do what you love and the money will come.....if you love kids, as you can see, PEDO IS GREAT.....We are desperate for more pediatric dentists!!!! Is this net salary or total billings? Because the MD specialists seem to be doing much better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryn Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Just doing a bit of budgeting here... Is it feasible to pay roughly $30k per year for student loans the first year after graduation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avenir001 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 not if i wonna do a GPR, then a 6yr OMFS and then a 1yr maxillofacial oncology fellowship!...lol do u have to do a gpr before u can specialize? also, i know u get paid a bit while doing specialty training, but can one also do general dentistry on the side (say 1-2 days/week as an associate) while specializing...or are u not allowed/would be too busy/etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown user 7 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 do u have to do a gpr before u can specialize?also, i know u get paid a bit while doing specialty training, but can one also do general dentistry on the side (say 1-2 days/week as an associate) while specializing...or are u not allowed/would be too busy/etc? I'm not 100% sure, but I'm quite positive my dentist does. He's a GP and he also does ortho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avenir001 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 I'm not 100% sure, but I'm quite positive my dentist does. He's a GP and he also does ortho. oh this i know..but he's still gonna stay a gp right..he just learned how to do some ortho on the side my question was mainly about those specializing right after dental school...can they still do general dentistry while specializing (unlike medicine where u can't practice independently until u're done your residency) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown user 7 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 oh this i know..but he's still gonna stay a gp right..he just learned how to do some ortho on the sidemy question was mainly about those specializing right after dental school...can they still do general dentistry while specializing (unlike medicine where u can't practice independently until u're done your residency) I don't see why not, but we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avenir001 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 I don't see why not, but we'll see. LOL, stop maximizing your post count w/o contributing much to my brilliant question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown user 7 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 LOL, stop maximizing your post count w/o contributing much to my brilliant question It was a fairly honest reply/ answer. I mean, I'm relatively new to the whole dentistry profession, but if someone completed dental school (the training to be a GP) and is then planning on specializing, I don't see why not. You? Again, we'll see when someone else in the field who knows replies. I'm just trying to throw out my opinion from what seems somewhat like logic. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD101 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 according to the article (http://www.roicorp.com/articles/resources_articles_41.asp) and a couple others i read, there is some talk about a larger number of dentists retiring (~200) relative to dentists graduating every year (~140, although some of these graduating dentists may also wish to leave ontario to practice in the US which will further reduce the number) in the near future in ontario... yes, i have heard that the oral health of our society is improving which would reduce demand but i would expect this to be offset by the increase in ontario's population, at least to some degree... so given that there may be a drop in the number of dentists by about a 50 or so every yr, i wonder how this will effect demand and salaries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koft Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 do u have to do a gpr before u can specialize?also, i know u get paid a bit while doing specialty training, but can one also do general dentistry on the side (say 1-2 days/week as an associate) while specializing...or are u not allowed/would be too busy/etc? Not necessary. To get into post-grad, depending on which program, some prefer, while other don't. As for moonlighting, it depends on which program, I am sure Ortho, you will have plenty of free time to moonlight at night time or weekend, while other you may not. However, most programs in US and Canada do not give your a salary or stipend. One that does for sure are OMS and oral path, the rest will depend on the school/program. ________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.BadVibes Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Is this net salary or total billings? Because the MD specialists seem to be doing much better.... net salary....... honestly I dont know what MD specialists make.......but I do know that the extra training involved to lets say become a pediatric dentist or orthodontist is only 2 years, while a MD specialist requires like a million extra years of training!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.BadVibes Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 also, i know u get paid a bit while doing specialty training, but can one also do general dentistry on the side (say 1-2 days/week as an associate) while specializing...or are u not allowed/would be too busy/etc? Moonlighting depends on the program..........for instance in my program, moonlighting is allowed except when your on call But remember, in order to moonlight, you need to obviously have a license to practice in the particular state/province your in.......right now Im in California and I dont have a Cali license so I cant moonlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.BadVibes Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Not necessary. To get into post-grad, depending on which program, some prefer, while other don't. As for moonlighting, it depends on which program, I am sure Ortho, you will have plenty of free time to moonlight at night time or weekend, while other you may not. However, most programs in US and Canada do not give your a salary or stipend. One that does for sure are OMS and oral path, the rest will depend on the school/program. Most pedo program offer stipends as well....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdog1 Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 WAh,,stupid taxes... This will delay another couple more years for me to buy myself a bmw. I hope you're just joking, otherwise I would be scared for your patients quite shameful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 I hope you're just joking, otherwise I would be scared for your patients quite shameful Whoah there partner. Take it easy on your first post. He just meant that the taxation is a bit extreme, that's all. And besides, no blame in wanting to use your money on whatever you want after you have worked so hard to get it. Welcome to the jungle. I mean forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjaejai Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 I hope you're just joking, otherwise I would be scared for your patients quite shameful Dude, I hope you're joking. Was my comment so ridiculous that you even had to create an account to mention it? I know that my reason for choosing dentistry is not money, but I don't think I would have chosen this path if dentists make $8/hr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylem29 Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Dude, I hope you're joking.Was my comment so ridiculous that you even had to create an account to mention it? I know that my reason for choosing dentistry is not money, but I don't think I would have chosen this path if dentists make $8/hr. No - in our society, money should never be a factor in career choices, NEVER! What kind of a sick and greedy monster are you? Now, let's go and live off the land shall we?!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjaejai Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 No - in our society, money should never be a factor in career choices, NEVER! What kind of a sick and greedy monster are you? Now, let's go and live off the land shall we?!!?? So, it should never be a factor,,?????? Not even just a bit??? I will be attendning UBC, and by the end of my fourth year I will have debt of 250k +. If I were to earn $8/hr, I don't think I'll never be out of debt. Besides, if it was money that I was after, I'd go into business and take after father's company. And what are you to call me a sick/greedy monster? If you are not so greedy, I'd like to see you treat all your patients with no charge and live rest of your life in debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 So, it should never be a factor,,??????Not even just a bit??? I will be attendning UBC, and by the end of my fourth year I will have debt of 250k +. If I were to earn $8/hr, I don't think I'll never be out of debt. Besides, if it was money that I was after, I'd go into business and take after father's company. And what are you to call me a sick/greedy monster? If you are not so greedy, I'd like to see you treat all your patients with no charge and live rest of your life in debt. I think xylem was joking bro. The 'live off the land' part should give it away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricCartman Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 No - in our society, money should never be a factor in career choices, NEVER! What kind of a sick and greedy monster are you? Now, let's go and live off the land shall we?!!?? That would be ideal, but it is not the norm! People change careers all the time for better money and life (you have to feed the kids and you have to provide them with okay housing, education etc..). I have seen it happen several times. Long story short, ideally, most of us need a stable career with decent pay. now dentistry offers this stability and decent pay along with the satisfaction of helping others. so there is nothing wrong with picking dentistry if your motivation is to help people, have job stability and good pay. so call us a greedy monster:D , if you wish! well, if xylem was joking, then ignore my post, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown user 7 Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 So, it should never be a factor,,??????Not even just a bit??? I will be attendning UBC, and by the end of my fourth year I will have debt of 250k +. If I were to earn $8/hr, I don't think I'll never be out of debt. Besides, if it was money that I was after, I'd go into business and take after father's company. And what are you to call me a sick/greedy monster? If you are not so greedy, I'd like to see you treat all your patients with no charge and live rest of your life in debt. I think there was an element of sarcasm in their post. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koft Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 I think there was an element of sarcasm in their post. Lol. lol, welcome to the real world!!! ________ Honda Ct Series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylem29 Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Of course I was joking. The majority of those who choose professions without any consideration of monetary compensation but who are instead only looking for their "life calling" or "passion" will be searching for awhile. Sometimes, you just gotta learn how to love something - I once had a professor who said these wise words: "sometimes, it's not about finding something that you love to do, but what you would be most content with, relative to every other option". I find a lot of different things fascinating and interesting - so there's many different career paths that I can see myself pursuing. Due to practical matters, I'm not going to pursue a career in finance b/c I'd have to start over from scratch, even though I find it extremely fasicnating. I've already completed a science degree, and I find the career options within healthcare interesting as well - so, I'm already on this path, I'll stick with it - the incomes in healthcare are pretty good too. Besides, if your career is what you want your life to revolve around that's cool, I don't judge ya on that, but there's people such as myself who see their career as a means to an end - different strokes for different folks you know? I'm not so naive as to believe that there's a career out there that will be without days of hating your job or being totally stressed out where I can wake up with a smile on my face everyday and come home "fullfilled"...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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