pi cafe Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 You still haven’t answered the question I posed. Why do you want to be a doctor? Explain clearly to everyone here what motivates you to become a doctor. Once again, just because you got a 1.37 in university doesn’t mean you are a failure. Explain this to your ex. “Those happy days of just being carefree and drifting through everyday as any other day are gone.” “So yes, no more time to be carefree.” This was your attitude during undergrad? You thought you were carefree? Well no wonder you got a 1.37. Why bother going to class? School obviously was a waste of money, you should have gone on vacation instead if you wanted to be carefree. Everyone in this thread should understand that Steller treated undergrad as a joke. He or she clearly did not think it was important to succeed academically. You haven’t proven to anyone that you have the ability to be a competent student. There is no reason to think you’ll ever get a high 3+. You’re just dreaming, kiddo. So get writing on that book of yours. “Time just seems slower, as though my heart changed what time means to me.” This is a good opening sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msiwoski Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Plan H is pretty difficult to obtain. I know for a fact that getting into the MOTP program is quite difficult to enter, as there are limited spots. My brother went through the dental officer one and there were I believe 11 spots total. Plus you have to be physically fit. That said, if you can get into it, that would be awesome. You have to serve those years in the service pay great starting and gives you experience. Lastly, two questions I pose for you: Answer pi cafe's question: Why do you want to be a doctor? Why aren't you working now for the summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msiwoski Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Ugly writing:P Scratch the "you have to serve" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Cave Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Ugly writing:PScratch the "you have to serve" You can edit your old posts..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZeus Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 pi_cafe's drole wit is a breath of fresh air. Stellar's playing you guys like a fiddle. His story is so absolutely improbable. Seriously, move on guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbene085 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 pi_cafe's drole wit is a breath of fresh air. Stellar's playing you guys like a fiddle. His story is so absolutely improbable. Seriously, move on guys. Yeah, I'm going to take the good Dr's orders on this one. This has been the most entertaining thread, though. It deserves an award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarRay Posted July 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 You still haven’t answered the question I posed. Why do you want to be a doctor? Explain clearly to everyone here what motivates you to become a doctor. Heh. Why do I get the weird sense that you're trying to out me like in a modern day witchhunt? ^^ To be honest, this is a really hard question to answer. I think most people here can say they've struggled with it. I'm sure there are some though, like myself, that would say that there's just nothing else in this world that they'd rather do. To which a witty response to me would be that I better start looking because with my GPA... But I do love the life sciences, I do love how the human body works, I do love life. Not to the point of researching and being in labs though.. as much as I'd love to discover the cure for cancer (haha.. laugh it up.. >_>"). I really do prefer human contact. And to actually be more specific about something earlier, my dad actually did not want me to be a doctor. My dad actually thinks being a doctor is a bad call, especially any specialist beyond family physician, because the pay for the number of hours worked just isn't worth it in his opinion. My dad actually wanted me to go into research which I detest. I love reading up on the latest medical news, but I hate the lab work and reports that ensue. When I volunteered and followed some doctors around in the hospital by my house, I saw something that I wanted for myself. I saw how patients and their families would welcome the doctor into their lives. I saw the feeling. I actually saw the fuzzy feeling that's cheesey and corny as heck... but wow. Some people would come into the hospital the first time because they were broken but their second visit back to the hospital wasn't because they needed more work done. They would be in perfect health. They only came back to say thank you. It's a really selfish reason for me to want to be important in other people's lives. I know that. There are other ways to be important to other people. I know that too. But what a thrill it would be to say that I saved your life man with my two hands!! I guess another reason that really struck me was when my girlfriend told me about her nightmare. She had just watched "The Day After Tomorrow" (I never watched it before btw, was it any good?_?) and she told me how she was scared not about some horrible catostrophe occuring (ie Katrina, China's Earthquake, Burma...). She wasn't afraid of that. But she was afraid of what she couldn't do in that kind of situation. How useless would I be in an emergency? I know that there are other very highly regarded emergency life-saving professions like the hailed heroes of 9/11 for one. But I don't think my skills, interest, and potential (which of course everyone is free to question) lies. That.. and I'm not really built for that... >_>'' So to answer your question, why do I want to be a doctor... I really don't know. There are so many reasons that I want to be a doctor, there are so many reasons why I shouldn't and possibly can't, and I've only got one life to give. Maybe my one life can affect 10,000. Maybe my one life will save another life. I don't know. Once again, just because you got a 1.37 in university doesn’t mean you are a failure. Explain this to your ex. It's not so much that I failed her or that she sees me as a failure. Yes, that hurts to hear from the one you love. But I've come to the realisation that what hurts more is when you believe yourself to be the failure. When everyone else is trying to support you and inspire you but deepdown you still feel like you've failed. I miss her like crazy. She was right about me. About the me that is here and now. I'm trying my best to change, not for her, but for myself. “Those happy days of just being carefree and drifting through everyday as any other day are gone.” “So yes, no more time to be carefree.” This was your attitude during undergrad? You thought you were carefree? Well no wonder you got a 1.37. Why bother going to class? School obviously was a waste of money, you should have gone on vacation instead if you wanted to be carefree. Everyone in this thread should understand that Steller treated undergrad as a joke. He or she clearly did not think it was important to succeed academically. I got scared. I tried to hide from the reality that I was failing. She was what kept me afloat for so long. I had to forcibly push out thoughts of failure everyday that I woke up. I hated looking at myself in the mirror when I woke up. I avoided friends in the hallways. I avoided birthday parties. I avoided human contact for the longest time. I hated what I saw. The only thing that kept me alive at times was her presence. Do you really think I just loved lying to my parents so that I could drive out to Wal-mart parking lot by school sometimes when I was scheduled for class but I had no work that day but I had to be out and I had to have covered a certain mileage? So yeah, when I was with her it helped to tune out everything in my world. For those brief moments I was "carefree". But now that she's gone, I've got no one to confide in, no friends to find support, I've got nothing... Instead I'm here exposing my entire life to complete strangers and asking for help. Some of you have been super supportive but then again some of you just can't let it go that my life is so messed up that I must be joking. Yeah, this is hilarious, ain't it? I must be really devoted to this joke to sit here and type out like you said nearly a book on this keyboard of mine. You haven’t proven to anyone that you have the ability to be a competent student. There is no reason to think you’ll ever get a high 3+. You’re just dreaming, kiddo. So get writing on that book of yours. I know I haven't proven that. It's what I'm trying to figure out how best to approach this. Even if I were to apply to the Carribean pre-med programs or other pre-med 6 yr programs then they'll ask to see my university transcript (despite only requiring only a high school diploma for pre-med) and they'll most certainly ask (if I even get that far without being straight out rejected as I probably should be).. they'll ask what have I done to prove that I'm competent. And maybe I'm just dreaming. But really, lose the wit and sarcasm as it's not helping me or yourself. “Time just seems slower, as though my heart changed what time means to me.” This is a good opening sentence. Thanks. ^^ Anyways, for anyone who thinks that my life is a joke and that I'm just a troll then I would really appreciate it if you just not waste your precious time here on me. At least let those that want to help me do so. I have no idea why anyone would "troll" something like this and for so long. And really, I'm already ashamed of myself enough.. but really, did your "friend" really just suggest to you my thread for a good laugh, pi_cafe? And you felt just so compelled to make a new account just to show off a little sarcasm in this troll-hunt? Thanks everyone who's been helpful and supportive. I guess Plan H was a bust. =\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanci Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 it's never over, hang in there. you have to try everything before you give up on med school. keep in mind that even your 1.37 is around 60%...meaning near the class-average for universities, this is what is expected of the "average student" in a classroom. you still have a chance to change things around...you're still relatively young. i know someone that did med school from scratch at the age of 45... Can you apply as a mature student (and lie about the first degree) and apply with high school transcripts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laika Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 keep in mind that even your 1.37 is around 60%...meaning near the class-average for universities, this is what is expected of the "average student" in a classroom. 1.37 is a transcript full of D's with a few C's sprinkled in. I don't think that counts as an "average student," and it's certainly not the average med school matriculant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanci Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 believe it or not, the class averages at universities are 60-69%... 1.37 is a little bit below, or right on the dot with what the class average should be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solocup Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 /QUOTE it's never over, hang in there. you have to try everything before you give up on med school. keep in mind that even your 1.37 is around 60%...meaning near the class-average for universities, this is what is expected of the "average student" in a classroom. you still have a chance to change things around...you're still relatively young. i know someone that did med school from scratch at the age of 45... Can you apply as a mature student (and lie about the first degree) and apply with high school transcripts? /QUOTE I didn't go to college in Canada but I'm pretty sure 1.37 is not the average here. Which planet are you from btw? What kind of bullsh!t advice is this, telling people to fabricate lies about their degree??? So much for academic integrity, you a$$hole? SR: It doesn't seem you have a good reason to pursue medicine as you can't come up with a compelling explanation. You can help others thru' other careers too. How abt nursing? Nurses have a lot more patient contact than doctors and it's a very respectable and noble profession. It's 3 years and you can practice off the bat, no hassle of residency. They save lives too, sometimes those of doctors' b/c they know a heck more than junior doctors. Better than spending a fortune on a risky future in the carribeans. Think abt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatewayMD Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Interesting thoughts.... forgive me s.ray i read the first 13 pages then i had to skip to the end, my summer job is pretty slack but **** we all have limits, mine is 13 pages If I were you, I would leave the whole pre-med sphere for a while, i don't really mean stop thinking about med, that is probably impossible, but the pre-med culture can be poison for someone in your situation. This is a recap of everything already said but essentially road ahead = tough but not impossible, and the real question is, is it a road you actually want to travel. I feel like there is little more for you to gain here, you definitely shouldn't be wasting your time defending your career goals to strangers, what I would be doing if i were you is reflecting with friends/fam and taking long walks in a forest. takecare, GMD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laika Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 OK, I'll bite. believe it or not, the class averages at universities are 60-69%... I believe that. 1.37 is a little bit below, or right on the dot with what the class average should be... I don't believe that. At my undergraduate institution, 60-69% would give you a GPA of 2.3-2.7 which is about twice as large as the number you quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Stark Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 believe it or not, the class averages at universities are 60-69%... 1.37 is a little bit below, or right on the dot with what the class average should be... Nope. If averages are 60-69%, that would translate to an average GPA around 2.0-2.5, certainly not a D+ average, which is exactly what a 1.37 is. Most upper-year courses have averages more in the B range anyhow. Whatever you do, StellarRay, do not lie about your academic history. The Day After Tomorrow is a decent enough disaster movie (not the same as a good movie per se ) and provides enough spectacle for repeat viewings. It does portray scientists in a very positive way, though, and it's at least a bit thoughtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanci Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 look at omsas...http://www.ouac.on.ca/omsas/pdf/c_omsas_b.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Cave Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Can you apply as a mature student (and lie about the first degree) and apply with high school transcripts? Suggesting that StellarRay tell yet more lies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Stark Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 look at omsas...http://www.ouac.on.ca/omsas/pdf/c_omsas_b.pdf Yes, and? It just confirms what we've been saying. At worst, a 60-69% average translates to a 2.0, which also happens to be the usual minimum program GPA required to graduate. On "average" I'd say that most students are actually achieving this, at least eventually. Anyhow, you still cannot apply as a mature student without a relevant undergraduate degree or the minimum of 2-3 years of 3.8+ averages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Cave Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 SR: It doesn't seem you have a good reason to pursue medicine as you can't come up with a compelling explanation. You can help others thru' other careers too. How abt nursing? Nurses have a lot more patient contact than doctors and it's a very respectable and noble profession. It's 3 years and you can practice off the bat, no hassle of residency. They save lives too, sometimes those of doctors' b/c they know a heck more than junior doctors. Better than spending a fortune on a risky future in the carribeans. Think abt it. I think his reasons are just fine. It's just a job, you don't have to be Mother Teresa to become a Doctor. I think what matters is that people who choose medicine as a career, whatever their motivations (non-maleficent of course) need to be dedicated enough to put in the hard work in training, and need to get enough personal satisfaction out of the job that they continue to improve their skills and knowledge and treat their patients well. If there weren't people going into medicine who were motivated by money and power then we would have a real shortage of surgeons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solocup Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I think his reasons are just fine. It's just a job, you don't have to be Mother Teresa to become a Doctor. I think what matters is that people who choose medicine as a career, whatever their motivations (non-maleficent of course) need to be dedicated enough to put in the hard work in training, and need to get enough personal satisfaction out of the job that they continue to improve their skills and knowledge and treat their patients well. If there weren't people going into medicine who were motivated by money and power then we would have a real shortage of surgeons Yeah I agree with you. Perhaps I should've worded it differently. It seems that from the reasons he gave, nursing is a better fit for him than medicine. We definitely need more male nurses. Plus male nursing students are quite popular in nursing school b/c they're rare (according to a friend who just graduated from nursing school). The ladies would love you, bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Stark Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Nursing might be a better fit, yes, but only StellerRay can answer that. For the record, I think your reasons are fairly scattershop and all over the place - which is more or less as it should be, and I can't say I would articulate my aspirations *that* differently (except that I'm very, very interested in research). Another question might be, what personal qualities or experience would you bring to the medical field? (This might be asked of anyone.) At least one thing I'd mention with respect to myself would be my advanced statistical training, something in rather short supply among physicians. (At least one of my profs - a biostatistician - has gone so far as to say that physicians are innumerate, which strikes me as at least a bit unfair.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanci Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 it's 4 years for nursing... not 3 anymore. if medicine is your dream, then go for it, don't deviate from your plan by doing nursing... Nurses are pretty much the slaves (honestly...save all of the comments, since i know how it really goes down in the hth field); nurse leaders control the nurses, which are controled by residents etc....chain of command in a hosp. crap. and nurses (RNs) at least get to control the RPNs..and those the health care aid assistants..etc.. Although RNs are treated with respect, and do a ****load, they're still considered "Medical Assisstants" and so their the doctor's b1tch (cant ask for tests to be done, can make nursing diagnoses, and definately dont wipe any more asses since thats for the RPNs these days...) like in high school you once had good marks, the potential is there. 2) who cares bout academic dishonesty...how's not saying something you did academic dishonesty? if i dont put that i worked at some place on my resume, nobody gives a ****, same thing with university. http://www.prospective.engineering.utoronto.ca/admissions/applying/mature.htm if they'd find out, you'd be screwed, just dont go to the same uni... let's just leave it at that for now...and forget i mentioned it, but w/e, worth a thought. 3) go to europe, or another country, honestly, prob your only way of ever achieving that goal; maybe the only way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Cave Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 i2) who cares bout academic dishonesty...how's not saying something you did academic dishonesty? if i dont put that i worked at some place on my resume, nobody gives a ****, same thing with university. You are either a troll or a sociopath. It least StellarRay feels guilty about his lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanci Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 ugh, neither, just saying... which part did he lie about??? (sorry, i skipped out on the 20 pages of discussion...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arctic_monkey Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 it's 4 years for nursing... not 3 anymore. 2) who cares bout academic dishonesty...how's not saying something you did academic dishonesty? if i dont put that i worked at some place on my resume, nobody gives a ****, same thing with university. LMAO - wow! Ok answer me this...if you are filling out a job form and there's that question that asks 'have you ever been convicted for a crime' and you just decide that "they don't need to know that" (let's assume that you have)...then that's ok? if you lie about anything on your app or fail to disclose anything to them that they have asked for, you could lose your spot at med school and maybe even be black listed.... p.s. this was a hypothetical question above - so don't get all pissed off - I'm not saying you're a criminal - just a hypothetical here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanci Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 LMAO - wow! Ok answer me this...if you are filling out a job form and there's that question that asks 'have you ever been convicted for a crime' and you just decide that "they don't need to know that" (let's assume that you have)...then that's ok? if you lie about anything on your app or fail to disclose anything to them that they have asked for, you could lose your spot at med school and maybe even be black listed.... p.s. this was a hypothetical question above - so don't get all pissed off - I'm not saying you're a criminal - just a hypothetical here if they never find out, then too bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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