apache Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 there's being a musical act and there's being rammstein, rammstein didn't become the most successful german band in the world by accident, i've literally watched every one of these guys live performances on youtube and there's no accident they're successful, being in a vessel as a someone shoots flames at you, singing while lit on fire, even with a fire proof jacket, piercing your cheek to insert and led light so light comes from your mouth when you sing, having flamethrowers shoot out of your guitars, making a music video that is straight porn and distributing it on porno tubes (look up the uncensored version of the song "pussy" if you're so inclined (be warned, there's sex in it, but it's a hilarious video)... there's no free lunch in this world, but if you push yourself to your limits, you'll very likely achieve immense success, here're a couple "benign performances" (compared to some of the stuff they do, which i wont post here, because it would be a bit inappropriate.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gicyIHneBM this is a perfect example, you can say rammstein probabilistically wouldn't be successful, because you're assuming their probabilistic success is independent of their characteristics, work ethic, and desire to push themselves to the limit, you're really overlooking the primary axiom of statistics, they can't predict the behaviour/results of individuals, only groups. these guys music isn't technically difficult, but they push boundaries in ways no other bands do, they also have one of the best live shows on earth (i thought 180 for floor tic from a scalper was cheap compared to what i got in return, prob the best show i've seen in my life. people really underestimate how much hard work/pushing yourself to your limits, in whatever discipline you choose can do to you, and love rammstein because they exemplify this so poignantly, so do the deftones, watch chino moreno at a festival and you'll **** yourself. same with guys like crosby, you don't think he spent every waking hour of his youth practicing, thinking about hockey in some way, you don't get that good with luck, you get that good with hard work only a love of what you're doing can push you to do. If it was easy a lot more people would be at the top. Unfortunately more people in that area (who thought they'd be rolling in a different sports car daily) will drive hour long commutes in toyotas only to make an average income doing a job they hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I don't know where you got the idea that medicine is the best, most prestigious, most profitable profession in the world but you really need to stop slagging other professions that you HAVE NEVER WORKED IN. It's great that you like to put medicine on this pedalstal, and worship it as the be all and end all of making a comfortable living. We get it, you love med but there's no need to paint every other profession as "poor", "average", or just plain ****ty. Really, you can stop trolling now. There are many people in the world who find fullfillment and satisfaction in making money in some field other than medicine.....and they're also good at not being a douchebag about it. My whole point was based on the STATISTICAL chance of getting into those much much much better careers than medicine. I'd absolutely love to become a pro athlete and do my hobby for a few million bucks a year. And yes there's lots of people doing it right now, but what's the chance I'll make it, even though I'm very good? What's the chance I'll get into medicine? I think the latter is a more realistic goal.... I'm not trolling, I'm just saying when someone's odds are extremely low, it's unrealistic (actually idiotic) to really count that as something realistic to achieve for the general population. When it comes to mainstream professions, medicine wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 there's being a musical act and there's being rammstein, rammstein didn't become the most successful german band in the world by accident, i've literally watched every one of these guys live performances on youtube and there's no accident they're successful, being in a vessel as a someone shoots flames at you, singing while lit on fire, even with a fire proof jacket, piercing your cheek to insert and led light so light comes from your mouth when you sing, having flamethrowers shoot out of your guitars, making a music video that is straight porn and distributing it on porno tubes (look up the uncensored version of the song "pussy" if you're so inclined (be warned, there's sex in it, but it's a hilarious video)... there's no free lunch in this world, but if you push yourself to your limits, you'll very likely achieve immense success, here're a couple "benign performances" (compared to some of the stuff they do, which i wont post here, because it would be a bit inappropriate.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gicyIHneBM this is a perfect example, you can say rammstein probabilistically wouldn't be successful, because you're assuming their probabilistic success is independent of their characteristics, work ethic, and desire to push themselves to the limit, you're really overlooking the primary axiom of statistics, they can't predict the behaviour/results of individuals, only groups. these guys music isn't technically difficult, but they push boundaries in ways no other bands do, they also have one of the best live shows on earth (i thought 180 for floor tic from a scalper was cheap compared to what i got in return, prob the best show i've seen in my life. people really underestimate how much hard work/pushing yourself to your limits, in whatever discipline you choose can do to you, and love rammstein because they exemplify this so poignantly, so do the deftones, watch chino moreno at a festival and you'll **** yourself. same with guys like crosby, you don't think he spent every waking hour of his youth practicing, thinking about hockey in some way, you don't get that good with luck, you get that good with hard work only a love of what you're doing can push you to do. So you're saying anyone with the dedication can make it? I dont think so (not even close). Being an athlete for lots of years now, I've seen people put in unbelievable amounts of effort into the sport, only to improve in the tiniest amounts and still lose by a mile. Contrary to nonsense beliefs, if the talent is not where... the success won't be there either. You only hear about those who had massive success. You hear about arnold schwarznegger having his extreme success in bodybuilding/acting/politics. But what about all the other guys who worked even harder only to not even come remotely close? There's hundreds of them, but one of arnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 take your 250 k loc, take out margin on that, and scalp trade penny profits on 1000 shares of benign pepsico, you make 100 dollars a trade, the buy sell cost 20 dollars, and this is only for a penny profit on a stock that trades around 65 dollars with a low beta (low variability in price), microsoft is another good stock to scalp, and if you have the computational power you could have made a killing auto-trading citibank back when it was 4 bucks and traded 100 mil+ shares a day. seriously don't understand why medicine = money, prestige, lifestyle at this point. work in the financial industry, **** over some people, collect untold amounts in bonuses, live on bridal path and roll around in a different sports car every day. Same things a med gunner would aspire to do, except he would only get to the stage of ****ing others over, and look at a fraction of what the finance guy makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Faculty lecturers are a bit different actually, here's a typical advertisement: http://www.careers.ualberta.ca/Competition/A108015235/ You're thinking of sessional lecturers who get asked to teach a bunch of courses and are held hostage at the fact that their job might not be renewed every year , but the person who use to have this position and retired made well over 6 figures, but he was also a clinical psychologist, so that plays a part. Another guy in the department who's a sessional teaches about 25-30 courses a year at around 7000 a course, but works at every institution in the area and has an elaborate web site that saves of where he was on his last power point for each class, and tests on class content and book content on seperate days to give himself a break, he doesn't have to prep anymore, he also records his lectures, fine tunes them over his power-points and sells them to online universities, while providing online office hours. That's entrepreneurship at its' finest. I don't know where people are getting these numbers for lecturers but my cousin is a lecturer at McGill and it does not pay well. It is 7 500$ per course if you just teach one course but if you teach 3+, you are usually considered a "faculty lecturer" and salary is around 50k/year. It's not much, and your contract has to be renewed annually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzah Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Pharmacy backup: don't get me wrong, I wan't to be a doctor, but for pragmatic purposes people have to keep their options open. So, I was wondering since the pharmacy applications go through OUAC, and the universities are centralized through that organization, is there any way the Ontario med schools I'm applying to can find out that I'm also applying to pharmacy schools and frown upon this (even though my first choice would be med)? They (interviewer) may ask. And then you may lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 hehe, 10char This right here takes a lot of balls. Any type of gambling like this is just that - gambling. There's always the possibility, however remote, that it goes belly up and you're stuck with a huge LOC and no way to pay it back on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixFlare500 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 My whole point was based on the STATISTICAL chance of getting into those much much much better careers than medicine. I'd absolutely love to become a pro athlete and do my hobby for a few million bucks a year. And yes there's lots of people doing it right now, but what's the chance I'll make it, even though I'm very good? What's the chance I'll get into medicine? I think the latter is a more realistic goal.... I'm not trolling, I'm just saying when someone's odds are extremely low, it's unrealistic (actually idiotic) to really count that as something realistic to achieve for the general population. When it comes to mainstream professions, medicine wins. Pro athlete making millions is in a completely different world man. Being a doctor is not akin to being a celebrity. Let's keep the comparisons realistic here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Pro athlete making millions is in a completely different world man. Being a doctor is not akin to being a celebrity. Let's keep the comparisons realistic here. Becoming a top of the run person in business or law isn't much different than becoming a pro athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evirus Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 If I do not get into medical school, Or I feel im incapable of the work load. I am considering going into professional programs such as Cardiovascular Perfusion; Medical Radiation etc. Is that a good idea? OR should I just go for optometry or pharmacy Im studying @ Uwaterloo Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clever Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 If I do not get into medical school, Or I feel im incapable of the work load. I am considering going into professional programs such as Cardiovascular Perfusion; Medical Radiation etc. Is that a good idea? OR should I just go for optometry or pharmacy Im studying @ Uwaterloo Thanks! I would look into each of those careers and see if you will enjoy doing it. Usually if the pay is good, that is a plus, but shouldn't be the first thing you look at. Spending ~40 years doing something you don't enjoy will destroy you inside. How you do in UG will give you a general idea if you will be able to handle the workload in medicine, but does not correlate 100%. Many people with below average GPAs end up at or near the top of their class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedPen Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Faculty lecturers are a bit different actually, here's a typical advertisement: http://www.careers.ualberta.ca/Competition/A108015235/ You're thinking of sessional lecturers who get asked to teach a bunch of courses and are held hostage at the fact that their job might not be renewed every year , but the person who use to have this position and retired made well over 6 figures, but he was also a clinical psychologist, so that plays a part. Nope, I'm thinking faculty lecturers at McGill. It's about 50 000$ a year for 3+ courses a semester and usually on a yearly contract. The faculty lecturer position you posted above looks very sweet in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phosgenic Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 We need more people to post their backups! I need more ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurepediatric Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 We need more people to post their backups! I need more ideas Lol not my personal backup, but other than a lot of the common ones or atleast ones I've heard of (optometry, pharmacy, physician assistant, teaching, dentistry, becoming professor, nursing, nurse practitioner) Michener's Institute http://www.michener.ca/ seems to offer some pretty interesting jobs (again not in my opinion, but what someone showed me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprinkles Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 a back up that I dont think anyone has mentioned? The government. That is if you can win the lottery that is 'indeterminate' positions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostLamb Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 a back up that I dont think anyone has mentioned? The government. That is if you can win the lottery that is 'indeterminate' positions First steps for government are to live in the national capital region and (most of the time) be bilingual....the latter significantly helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo555 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 it depends on your geography, if you're in ontario, then med is more difficult, if you have ip med schools, dent is more difficult, there were people in my class with 3.4's etc. that fluked out because someone thought their volunteering was worth full marks, for dent admissions you need 3.8 plus just to have a chance, it gets even harder when you look into clinical psych you're literally looking at 3.9 maybe getting you an interview, top law programs like osgoode and u of t also require 3.9+, 95th percentile lsats, and reference letters, plus personal statements... then again, there's a reason graduating top of u of t law with business acumen is a one way ticket to wall street, or osgoode being a one way ticket to a top government position. I never knew...I never researched in law and top government position, so I always wondered how you can get those jobs, because they seem to have pretty good deal I wonder if there is a website that outlines 'how to get a top government position by going to lawschool'... I know lawyers make lot of money but I'm not sure if their pay is truly justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamIDP Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 My backup is to go to Windsor SOM lol, nah im jking ^ would never go there. I would probably get a permanent citizen to the US & go to the US to study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 I never knew...I never researched in law and top government position, so I always wondered how you can get those jobs, because they seem to have pretty good deal I wonder if there is a website that outlines 'how to get a top government position by going to lawschool'... I know lawyers make lot of money but I'm not sure if their pay is truly justified. There is a rigid competitive process involving difficult exams prior to the interview stage and there are more than enough qualified applicants in this present environment. Whether what lawyers earn is justified or not, they charge what the market will bear and therefore, they bring down high income, in big firms from the very beginning but the lawyers must be able to put in the chargeable time. Deep pocket clients who receive good legal advice are willing to pay. However, the real money is in investment banking, not as much as it was pre 2008, and you could find yourself out on the street at age 40. To me, just making big bucks to live the good life sounds tiresome and is no way to spend the only life we have. To each their own I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprinkles Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 First steps for government are to live in the national capital region and (most of the time) be bilingual....the latter significantly helps! I live in the NCR (Ottawa) so that helps but I'm not bilingual ( working on it though!) Right now I'm a coop student and it's my 3rd federal student position (5th government one) so hopefully that will give me an edge =p I'm hoping once I'm done my degree ( have a semester left) I can get bridged in and work in my " back up" until I get into med! whether that's 2 years or 6!! Oh and I don't know who told you lawyers make good money in govt but that's a major lie! Govt seems to Favour the least educated. The starting range for a lawyer in govt is $59,000. The MAXIMUM they can make, after like 2-3 decades of work at high director levels is $130,000 This may seem decent but it's not when you look at what private lawyers make. It's also crap pay when you look at how much "AS" (assistant) positions get paid on govt. it starts at about 50,0000 and goes up to six digits at the maximum. Best part? ALL YOU NEED IS A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA!! So clearly law school isn't lucrative in govt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedPen Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 So clearly law school isn't lucrative in govt. Law school isn't lucrative for 90% of people in it. They will make a decent salary but nowhere near the big money people think they will rake in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UofA2015 Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Fire department for me... no joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future_doc Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Law school isn't lucrative for 90% of people in it. They will make a decent salary but nowhere near the big money people think they will rake in. Depends if in small, medium sized or large firm. Ten years ago, a friend in 2nd year law @ Canadian law school, was paid a 6 figure salary (on a monthly basis as it was onyl for summer) by a NYC lawfirm. He joined them and made 300k pretty quickly. He left law and is now paying close to 1M/year. It comes down to making your own opportunities, timing, persistence and luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny55 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 A DO (doctor of osteopathy) is a good backup if you don't get into the super competitive Canadian schools. There are plenty of DO schools in the states and if you have a 3.3 or higher GPA and can score around 9 in each section of the MCAT you have a decent chance. Plus you can apply to any American residency from there. The only down side is that you can't come back to practice in Canada, but if being a doctor in your opinion is all about the $$ you will make more in the states anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLengr Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 First steps for government are to live in the national capital region and (most of the time) be bilingual....the latter significantly helps! The MOST important thing with any govt. or public agency in the National Capital Region is bilingualism. Everything else is secondary. Even if you never have contact with the public and have almost zero chance of using a second language, it's still the most important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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