MDsoonenuf Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Hi all, I'm wondering if anyone has information about people being able to practice in residency with a criminal record. To be specific, I'm wondering about having a DUI conviction with no prior criminal history. Has anyone had any experience with this in the past? How might a DUI conviction be looked for when applying for a residency position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochi1543 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I think you should contact the Royal College for that type of info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bj89 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 would that affect your acceptance into a med school? or any other criminal record for that matter? i know med schools ask for a police check but thats after your acceptance right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochi1543 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 would that affect your acceptance into a med school? or any other criminal record for that matter? i know med schools ask for a police check but thats after your acceptance right? Well, if you have a criminal record, you basically can't practice medicine, which is why schools want a record check - there's no point in giving a spot to a student who will not be able to use their medical education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bj89 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Well, if you have a criminal record, you basically can't practice medicine, which is why schools want a record check - there's no point in giving a spot to a student who will not be able to use their medical education. that sucks... what if someone was raised in a rough neighbourhood and had no choice but to get in trouble with the law (not the person) but wanted to change their life around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochi1543 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 that sucks... what if someone was raised in a rough neighbourhood and had no choice but to get in trouble with the law (not the person) but wanted to change their life around Yeah, well, this logic doesn't really work with a DUI, lol. But I think there are SOME ways to still be considered (like, a certain amount of time has to have relapsed since the conviction, etc), I'm just not very well-versed on the topic, which is why I said the OP should contact the Royal College and find out the specifics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughboy Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 OP should probably contact the College of Physicans and Surgeons of his/her particular province, rather than the Royal College. For reference, here is what the CPSO says: http://cpso.on.ca/uploadedFiles/downloads/cpsodocuments/registration/Canadian Graduate.pdf 7. Consent to Disclosure of Criminal Record Information Using the Consent form provided by the College, you must authorize a criminal record check from the Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC). For any questions, contact Registration Inquiries at (416) 967-2617, extension 221. (i) The form must be completed in full and returned to the College with your completed application form. Make certain the name and address information you provide is accurate and matches the information in your application form. Any omissions or discrepancies will require returning the form to you for correction. (ii) Complete the “S.I.N.” field only if you have a Canadian social insurance number. Enter “physician” in “Professional Position” field. (iii) Consent is valid for one month only – return the form immediately after you complete it. (iv) CPIC results, either negative or positive, will be returned to the College by the OPP. If results are positive, the College will contact you for further information. Positive results will require review by the Registration Committee. (v) CPIC results are kept confidential (see “Confidentiality” on page 7 for further information). NOTE! The CPIC office requires a minimum of TEN business days to complete the check. The College can neither expedite this check nor process your application without it. All questions regarding this requirement are to be directed to Registration Inquiries at (416) 967-2617, extension 221. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolvenstar Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 that sucks... what if someone was raised in a rough neighbourhood and had no choice but to get in trouble with the law (not the person) but wanted to change their life around My suggestion would be to see if pardons canada could help them with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8kg6 Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 that sucks... what if someone was raised in a rough neighbourhood and had no choice but to get in trouble with the law (not the person) but wanted to change their life around I expect this never comes up in reality... many people from a lower socio-economic status who wind up in prisons at a young age don't finish traditional high schools, let alone graduate from a post secondary institution with grades competitive for medicine. Also... no choice but to get in trouble with the law? How could that happen... Sure, there are hard times and circumstances that I've never been exposed to, but fortunately we pay exorbitant taxkes to support a social safety network so that people always have a choice other than crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsci Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Also... no choice but to get in trouble with the law? How could that happen... Sure, there are hard times and circumstances that I've never been exposed to, but fortunately we pay exorbitant taxkes to support a social safety network so that people always have a choice other than crime. Yeah what's up with all these people when it's that simple? It's easy as pie right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaymcee Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Yeah what's up with all these people when it's that simple? It's easy as pie right?Corsci FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covarubious Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Yeah what's up with all these people when it's that simple? It's easy as pie right? Of course it is. All those bad kids are just lazy and really want to enjoy the glamar of the thug life! (please note the massive amount of sarcasm lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfieMike Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 ain't no heaven for a thug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Lol these are the people who get weeded out in interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8kg6 Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Yeah what's up with all these people when it's that simple? It's easy as pie right? Haha, I had a good laugh at that as well, just like the others above me. What I was saying though is that I bet it's exceedingly rare for a person who has resorted to crime at an early age (say, 14) to turn around and be competitve for medicine at any point in their life. I think there's one thread somewhere on the forums about a person who had been a cocaine addict and was working as an escort, but even in that thread, the discussion turned to if that person's past would be a liability. And easy as pie? Definitely not... it will be the hardest thing that this person ever does if they try to take advantage of the limited help the government can offer at the young age rather than resort to crime. I was making an argument against "no other choice", which I don't think is ever accurate. In fact, my own father had to raise his siblings with the help of his older sister before the family was put into foster care once the mother died of MS. Easy as pie? I'm not sure, you can ask him... but I think he'll state something similar to the above, and never has he had to resort to crime. Lol these are the people who get weeded out in interviews. Only if you have an interviewer incompetent enough to not explore your reason for thinking. I'd stay off any ADCOMs if I were you, leviathan, if only to preserve the integrity of whatever school it is you're interviewing students for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Only if you have an interviewer incompetent enough to not explore your reason for thinking. I'd stay off any ADCOMs if I were you, leviathan, if only to preserve the integrity of whatever school it is you're interviewing students for. We all interpreted your comment in the same way. If you weren't implying that, then you are the incompetent one for coming across that way to all of us and your potential interviewers. To cry and blame your interviewer for being incompetent for not spending 10 minutes to explain your reasoning for everything you say in a brief interview is a little short-sighted. You have to come across clearly the first time, because there's another 10 questions they have to get through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8kg6 Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I expect this never comes up in reality... many people from a lower socio-economic status who wind up in prisons at a young age don't finish traditional high schools, let alone graduate from a post secondary institution with grades competitive for medicine. Also... no choice but to get in trouble with the law? How could that happen... Sure, there are hard times and circumstances that I've never been exposed to, but fortunately we pay exorbitant taxkes to support a social safety network so that people always have a choice other than crime. Perhaps I could have articulated this better, but frankly I don't see how. I'm not sure where in this statement I insinuate that it's easy to avoid crime when faced with the gargantuan task of 'escaping the ghetto'. In fact, I didn't make any mention of the difficulty of the task, and the only thing I was addressing was the fact that you always have other options, because of the efforts that Canadians make to help those in need. That's pretty clear in both posts. fortunately we pay exorbitant taxkes to support a social safety network so that people always have a choice other than crime. Seriously, with the exception of misspelling taxes, how can I be any more clear. We can argue with whom the incompetence lies all day, but that's not going to get anyone anywhere. I think we can both agree that you were in the wrong in saying that my post was so ignorant that it would be enough to "weed me out" in an interview. On the contrary, I think my original post shows my belief that it's important for the more affluent members of society to enable the government to aid those in need by paying high taxes, as well as my awareness of the social constructs in place to aid the needy in Canadian Society. I agree that I have to be clear the first time, but I think that if my interviewer chooses to project their own agendas onto my responses (as was done by Corsci, which all the other posts were based on), I'm doomed regardless of the clarity of my response. We all interpreted your comment in the same way. That's not quite true. Corsci took it this way, a few people laughed at his funny response, and then you chose to draw your conclusions based on this response, not on my original comment, which I've already shown to be very clear. I have no doubt you're a smart person, so you should know better than that and should have taken it 'straight from the horses mouth'. I don't even see how this is an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsci Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Also... no choice but to get in trouble with the law? How could that happen... Sure, there are hard times and circumstances that I've never been exposed to, but fortunately we pay exorbitant taxkes to support a social safety network so that people always have a choice other than crime. All i really have to say is: Be cautious when making such black and white claims. Like you said, these are harsh times that you have NEVER been exposed to. So for you to say that there is always a CHOICE is pretty bold. And before it comes up, let's not argue the definition of choice because ok you win there is always a some element of choice no matter how small but let's be realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8kg6 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Well, maybe 'option' would have been better to say? But the difference between choice and option... we're arguing some pretty miniscule semantics here. I maintain my position that I didn't say it was easy, and that the intentions of my post were quite clear. Also, "choice" was the word used by bj89 in the post to which I replied, and then was told I'd never make it past an interview for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mei_Mei_girl Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Is it just me or alot of threads having arguments going on? lol, I think its good though to think about stuff like this. I know I would never be where I am without the support of my parents. Its so sad that some people don't have that and are more predisposed to crime and other avenues of life at an early age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Cave Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 It's because an internet forum has many flaws as a means of communication. 1) Tone is easily misunderstood 2) communication is delayed by time so misunderstandings/miscommunications cannot be resolved quickly 3) we can't just reach over and biatch slap someone we disagree with so we must resort to bitc.hing and whining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorelan Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 It's because an internet forum has many flaws as a means of communication. 1) Tone is easily misunderstood 2) communication is delayed by time so misunderstandings/miscommunications cannot be resolved quickly 3) we can't just reach over and biatch slap someone we disagree with so we must resort to bitc.hing and whining that and everyone seems a bit more on edge with the interviews and the waiting etc. Oh where has our nice and gentle premed forum gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I have a tough time believing that someone had "no choice" but to resort to crime, no matter what kind of conditions they were raised in. With the exception of a literally starving little kid stealing food or something like that. We're pumping enough tax dollars into social services and assistance plans that the intended recipients don't need to continue breaking into houses and stealing cars. But guess what? They still do it. And if they're old enough to have gotten a criminal record for doing it, they were old enough to know their actions were unacceptable and old enough to have utilized those social assistance services. So yeah, no sympathy from me. I've spent long enough living in a town with a high youth crime rate to know that a lot of petty crimes are committed for fun and profit, not survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8kg6 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I have a tough time believing that someone had "no choice" but to resort to crime, no matter what kind of conditions they were raised in. With the exception of a literally starving little kid stealing food or something like that. We're pumping enough tax dollars into social services and assistance plans that the intended recipients don't need to continue breaking into houses and stealing cars. But guess what? They still do it. And if they're old enough to have gotten a criminal record for doing it, they were old enough to know their actions were unacceptable and old enough to have utilized those social assistance services. So yeah, no sympathy from me. I've spent long enough living in a town with a high youth crime rate to know that a lot of petty crimes are committed for fun and profit, not survival. Watch out, with views like that, you'll never get past the interview... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 It's a nature/nurture thing...put it this way, if we were all placed in poverty conditions, a lot of us would be criminals and would not be applying to medical school right now. Agree? and wk: it is all about blanket statements, as someone else said. Bad move to make in an interview when they bring up ethical dilemmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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