BrendanJ Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 lol... one would wonder how you even got into med school with this level of "thinking." My dad makes 180k/year but someone with his experience as a specialist is making more like 400k/year (as an MD). If you were anything close to smart you'd know that you're more likely to start off making 350k/year as an MD than 100k/year as an engineer. Oh yea, I fixed your post for you Your stated motivations and intent are a few of the very specific things that admissions committees specifically attempt to identify in applicants. I genuinely don't believe that you belong in medicine, and I doubt that you would be happy in medicine. Unfortunately, you may get in, but you will probably find that extrinsic reward and measures of success like financial gain (or, rather, the hope of future financial gain) will do little to help you cope with 90+ hour weeks that often seem to culminate at your most emotionally and physically exhausted point with that one more difficult task to complete, like breaking the news of inoperable cancers three times in one day or pronouncing a child dead in front of his parents. You quite literally are expected to shoulder more extreme and dire human circumstance and experience than any other profession or "job", and are expected to be just as empathetic and caring a practitioner when pushed to the brink. Medicine means you come second, "lifestyle" specialty or not. This sounds very soap-boxy and high-and-mighty, but I'm trying to be very frank and honest. Dreams of 350k and satisfying the evolutionary requirement to attain "9.5 chicks" will not get you through this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeman101 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 i'm not really bothering either, medicine is a good hedged bet, and i didn't trash it, to whoever said they'd be satisfied as a surgeon, if you love it, you love it, i remember one guy who was amazing and surgery "was" his life, thats ****ing awesome, it has to be a big portion of enjoyment in your life if you're going to do it, i'm really happy for him, because he's being true to himself. my other friend, who likes surgery, but now doesn't even want to do residency, came to the conclusion i'd been suggesting for a year or so, you may love it, but do you love it more than what'd you'd be doing with an extra 50 hours a week, and for this person, it was a no... and whoever said it was silly to look back at your life, you really didn't get the metaphor, the metaphor is to live in the moment as if it would be in the book, the emphasis was away from both the future and the past, but living in the moment, and if you enjoy being away from your kids as much as you do at codes, then i take my hat off to you, youre living authentically to yourself, if you're going to argue that you're doing it primarily for money, well then i sort of pity you, and hope you go into optho or derm, because traditional hedonism can be great, and those specialties can offer you that, plus you really help people... vision is something we really value, and people value their skin health... plus you get tons of money compared to the hours, i would have loved to do psychiatry, but the only reason is because i really enjoy it, otherwise there's no way you can justify putting up with some of the **** you see for even 200 k a year, or dealing with it when you find out a patient committed suicide, there has to be a little bit more reward or incentive, even with the chill lifestyle in terms of hours also, with the work you put in as an internist, you'll likely be at the top of those other fields, if you put in 90 hours a week into law school and get straight a's out of u of t, or put that effort into your economics degree (my friend was just offered an economics internship at the canadian embassy in china) you'll achieve as much financially, plus have life experiences that are congruent with what makes you happy, you can also get this in medicine, but for many people in it, it's just a job, and they become jaded, others love it... just hope you don't end up on the jaded end, that really sucks. Umm, not sure what exactly this has to do with what you quoted from me. But I'm assuming you think I'm getting jaded? Thats really not the case for me. I knew / know what I was getting into. Some of my classmates and upper year friends don't / didn't. Not a lot of docs are very happy actually. To many its just a daily grind that they repeat over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 the only reference was that im not going to bother arguing with them anymore either... it was sort of a blanket response to all of high school guys, lol, sorry, nothing to do with you at all Umm, not sure what exactly this has to do with what you quoted from me. But I'm assuming you think I'm getting jaded? Thats really not the case for me. I knew / know what I was getting into. Some of my classmates and upper year friends don't / didn't. Not a lot of docs are very happy actually. To many its just a daily grind that they repeat over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnb88 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Well for one thing, I referenced a link http://www.cmaj.ca/content/170/5/776.1.full.pdf and he just named his "friend" as evidence that engineers make less than half of doctors Please reference me a link which shows that 75k is the norm to start. HAH! My brother got his industrial eng degree from ryerson... not only did it take him 2 years to find a job, but when he did, it only paid 30K/year 64k to start Median for mech Es: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2132 75k to start median for aero eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2146 75k to start median for agriculture eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2148 75k to start median for biomed eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2148 69k to start median for chem eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2134 62-63k to start median for mech/civil engineers appears to be the lowest: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2131 64k to start median for geo eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2144 78k to start median for industrial eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2141 74k Median to start for pet eng, but the average is 82k: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2145 Ok... I think you get the idea for engineers (while I was off at my 75k, I think we can agree that I'm closer than you at the 30-40k you're quoting). Now let's take a look at physicians, medigeek: Starting is 58k/yr (65k if you look at average as opposed to median). If you look at a 40 hour work week (which is what all the above calculations are done on): http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=3112 Bottom line: starting wage for ANY engineer is higher than starting wage for docs. Yeah, of course it separates when you have more experience, but that's not what we're looking at here. There's your proof. Unless a Government of Alberta website isn't good enough for you......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Your stated motivations and intent are a few of the very specific things that admissions committees specifically attempt to identify in applicants. I genuinely don't believe that you belong in medicine, and I doubt that you would be happy in medicine. Unfortunately, you may get in, but you will probably find that extrinsic reward and measures of success like financial gain (or, rather, the hope of future financial gain) will do little to help you cope with 90+ hour weeks that often seem to culminate at your most emotionally and physically exhausted point with that one more difficult task to complete, like breaking the news of inoperable cancers three times in one day or pronouncing a child dead in front of his parents. You quite literally are expected to shoulder more extreme and dire human circumstance and experience than any other profession or "job", and are expected to be just as empathetic and caring a practitioner when pushed to the brink. Medicine means you come second, "lifestyle" specialty or not. This sounds very soap-boxy and high-and-mighty, but I'm trying to be very frank and honest. Dreams of 350k and satisfying the evolutionary requirement to attain "9.5 chicks" will not get you through this. Except when my only real academic interest is the medical sciences, and I couldn't stand not doing anything else... I think it's the right career for me to pursue. Your post is pretty extreme, 90 hour weeks are a bit over what's even acceptable for surgeons, let alone medicine type specialties. 55-60 hour weeks (including all call hours) was something that was posted by a survey a while ago (for hours worked). But once you're in your own private practice, you make your own hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnb88 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I think it's fair to start quoting ROAD specialties then? Nope- those engineers are general run-of-the-mill engineers, just like general practitioners/family docs I quoted before. cnb88 is from Alberta. She'll likely quoting engineering salaries in the petrochemical/energy/fuels/geomatics industry (e.g. salary of a Fort Mac process engineer). EDIT: According to the 2009 Alberta Wage and Salary Survey, Albertans in the Chemical Engineers occupational group earned from $25.00 to $96.88 an hour. The average wage was $49.04 an hour. That works out to about almost 100k on average. I'd say that's pretty good. If it was only 5% of people making that 96.88/hr, I think the average value would be significantly lower. http://alis.alberta.ca/occinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetHTMLProfile&format=html&occPro_ID=71001585 Haha.. I got my info at the same place! I just looked at the starting wage (and median numbers) to cancel out the outliers at the $14/hr range and the $100/hr range. I didn't even look at the highest paid engineers that make over 300k/yr! And to echo what aaron said: you have to go where the jobs are. If you stay where there's an oversaturation, you're going to have to expect to get paid crap. If you go where you're needed... well... 70k average to start isn't bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mm88 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I think it's fair to start quoting ROAD specialties then? If working in crappy conditions in an isolated area is what you consider comparable to what a ROAD specialty offers...sure! A more accurate comparison for ROAD specialties would be to engineering consultants working in Hatch and McKinsey. A starting consultant at McKinsey, for example, would make about 300k in his first year with FULL BENEFITS. I know one that works 4 days a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 64k to start Median for mech Es: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2132 75k to start median for aero eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2146 75k to start median for agriculture eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2148 75k to start median for biomed eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2148 69k to start median for chem eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2134 62-63k to start median for mech/civil engineers appears to be the lowest: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2131 64k to start median for geo eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2144 78k to start median for industrial eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2141 74k Median to start for pet eng, but the average is 82k: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2145 Ok... I think you get the idea for engineers (while I was off at my 75k, I think we can agree that I'm closer than you at the 30-40k you're quoting). Now let's take a look at physicians medigeek: Starting is 58k/yr (65k if you look at average as opposed to median). If you look at a 40 hour work week (which is what all the above calculations are done on): http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=3112 Bottom line: starting wage for ANY engineer is higher than starting wage for docs. Yeah, of course it separates when you have more experience, but that's not what we're looking at here. There's your proof. Unless a Government of Alberta website isn't good enough for you......... wtf is this sh*t. you're quoting a sports medicine physician salary report who works on average: 27.6 hours per week!? I dont think anyone on this forum will disagree that your post is pure nonsense. And looks like our provinces have quite the difference: http://www.cmaj.ca/content/170/5/776.1.full.pdf Alberta is a 3rd ranked (at best) province in Canada, not anywhere near Ontario. EDIT: Read your own link a bit better before posting it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurepediatric Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 including you a$$hole LOL you just had to let it out eh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 If working in crappy conditions in an isolated area is what you consider comparable to what a ROAD specialty offers...sure! A more accurate comparison for ROAD specialties would be to engineering consultants working in Hatch and McKenzie. A starting consultant at McKenzie, for example, would make about 300k in his first year with FULL BENEFITS. I know one that works 4 days a week. Proof? I still lol @ random numbers and "friends" thrown around. How about some evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bored Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 64k to start Median for mech Es: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2132 75k to start median for aero eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2146 75k to start median for agriculture eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2148 75k to start median for biomed eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2148 69k to start median for chem eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2134 62-63k to start median for mech/civil engineers appears to be the lowest: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2131 64k to start median for geo eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2144 78k to start median for industrial eng: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2141 74k Median to start for pet eng, but the average is 82k: http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=2145 Ok... I think you get the idea for engineers (while I was off at my 75k, I think we can agree that I'm closer than you at the 30-40k you're quoting). Now let's take a look at physicians, medigeek: Starting is 58k/yr (65k if you look at average as opposed to median). If you look at a 40 hour work week (which is what all the above calculations are done on): http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageDetail&format=html&RegionID=20&NOC=3112 Bottom line: starting wage for ANY engineer is higher than starting wage for docs. Yeah, of course it separates when you have more experience, but that's not what we're looking at here. There's your proof. Unless a Government of Alberta website isn't good enough for you......... Ok yea you start out with taht much as an engineer, but there is much competition and by the time you start making $150 k + (as in a director's position with atleast 3 menagers under you), you are likely to be 10 years away from retirement.. so its not relaly worth it. when it comes to $ and Prestige, there isnt a better career than medicine, and we can live without the lifestyle when we have the $ another good career is being a contractor.. money is great [much more than docs b/c its a business], life style is awesome (no work in winter ) but prestige sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Ok yea you start out with taht much as an engineer, but there is much competition and by the time you start making $150 k + (as in a director's position with atleast 3 menagers under you), you are likely to be 10 years away from retirement.. so its not relaly worth it. when it comes to $ and Prestige, there isnt a better career than medicine, and we can live without the lifestyle when we have the $ so much truth. He also forgets that most people dont want to live in alberta. And it's funny he quoted something like 58k/65k!! for a starting salary of a physician... residents make more than that! And looking at this here: http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Civil-Engineer-l-Ontario,-CA.html Just an example, but an average civil engineer makes less than one third of an average doctor in ontario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnb88 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 wtf is this sh*t. you're quoting a sports medicine physician salary report who works on average: 27.6 hours per week!? I dont think anyone on this forum will disagree that your post is pure nonsense. And looks like our provinces have quite the difference: http://www.cmaj.ca/content/170/5/776.1.full.pdf Alberta is a 3rd ranked (at best) province in Canada, not anywhere near Ontario. Well actually, it's not just sports med. It includes that of family and general practitioners (which shockingly include sports med!): http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageAlphaSearchResult&format=html&Page=SearchAlpha&SearchContent=G&RegionID=20&ProfileType=Noc (initial link I used to find it. Scroll down. You'll see FAMILY PHYSICIAN/GENERAL PRACTITIONER has it's own category separate from SPORTS PHYSICIAN). As for my post being pure nonsense... at least I have info to back it up. And I guarantee there's plenty of people that would agree with me and disagree with you. But to each his own. Like I said, it's all dependent on where you live. As for AB being "3rd best at best"... Well, the weather brings it down, but low taxes, cheap housing, 5% GST ONLY (no HST crap), cheap gas (how's a buck a litre sound right now?) and plenty of other things make it a cheaper place to live. Meaning that that 75k goes farther in AB than it would here in Ontario. Just sayin'. ~But I'm not the all-knowing medigeek that has infinite knowledge of everything there is to ever know.... so what would I know~ And just in case your sarcasm detector is off, "~" denotes sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurepediatric Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 obviously this bothers you, just block the people who post and go study to make sure you get some "9.5's", bra, you can do it, and please lock this thread someone. Yeah I think this thread went the wrong way lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronjw Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 you ****ing dip ****s are all show and no go. You wouldn't have the stones to articulate what you truly believe in an ABS or to an adcoms because you're full of absolute ****. You live by the sword, you die by the sword but you douches are too full of hot air to actually live by the sword and espouse your ideology to those who will matter to whether you have a career in medicine or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Well actually, it's not just sports med. It includes that of family and general practitioners (which shockingly include sports med!): http://alis.alberta.ca/wageinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetWageAlphaSearchResult&format=html&Page=SearchAlpha&SearchContent=G&RegionID=20&ProfileType=Noc (initial link I used to find it. Scroll down. You'll see FAMILY PHYSICIAN/GENERAL PRACTITIONER has it's own category separate from SPORTS PHYSICIAN). As for my post being pure nonsense... at least I have info to back it up. And I guarantee there's plenty of people that would agree with me and disagree with you. But to each his own. Like I said, it's all dependent on where you live. As for AB being "3rd best at best"... Well, the weather brings it down, but low taxes, cheap housing, 5% GST ONLY (no HST crap), cheap gas (how's a buck a litre sound right now?) and plenty of other things make it a cheaper place to live. Meaning that that 75k goes farther in AB than it would here in Ontario. Just sayin'. ~But I'm not the all-knowing medigeek that has infinite knowledge of everything there is to ever know.... so what would I know~ And just in case your sarcasm detector is off, "~" denotes sarcasm I'm not too sure how many people will agree that doctors make 60k per year to start when residents make A LOT more than that (1st year residents) when you factor in taxes. Especially when your link gives 27 hours/week of work time and alberta is a crappy province to use for comparison when you look at their population compared to ontario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnb88 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I'm not too sure how many people will agree that doctors make 60k per year to start when residents make A LOT more than that (1st year residents) when you factor in taxes. Especially when your link gives 27 hours/week of work time and alberta is a crappy province to use for comparison when you look at their population compared to ontario. Hey look. Official carms website. Starting gross for an R1 in AB: 54k. http://www.carms.ca/eng/r1_program_salaries_e.shtml#AL. Same link. Starting gross for an R1 in ON: 51k. Yup. Ontario docs earn more. And when you factor in taxes, even assuming the resident pays nothing, the engineer will likely still come out ahead for the first few years. Especially because of roll over tuition credits. I don't know where you're getting "starting residents make more than 60k", but you're sadly mistaken. Factor in the hours worked over the course of the year, and I guarantee the R1 pay will be crap compared to the cushy 40hr/week eng job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanJ Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Except when my only real academic interest is the medical sciences, and I couldn't stand not doing anything else... I think it's the right career for me to pursue. Your post is pretty extreme, 90 hour weeks are a bit over what's even acceptable for surgeons, let alone medicine type specialties. 55-60 hour weeks (including all call hours) was something that was posted by a survey a while ago (for hours worked). But once you're in your own private practice, you make your own hours. I'm not really interested in a debate, (1) because it's not a debate, I'm telling you how it is from first hand experience and you have a indirect/tangential understanding of medicine and (2) because I need to go to sleep. But take into consideration for your career decision making process: - 90 hour weeks don't happen every week, but they are not extreme, and they are not uncommon. I've worked 114 hours twice this year. I will work 84 hours this week, and I'm not even taking in house call. - you are not going to make the money that it seems you think you will make working 55 hours a week. Yes, pay can be high, for example the surgeon at my institution who loves his job, is happy, sleeps 2-3 hours/night, has three fellowships and over 100 peer reviewed publications in his less than ten years in practice makes a lot of money. But this doesn't strike me as your type. - here's some bluntness: academic interest in medical sciences and wanting to make bling don't cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanJ Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I'm not too sure how many people will agree that doctors make 60k per year to start when residents make A LOT more than that (1st year residents) when you factor in taxes. Especially when your link gives 27 hours/week of work time and alberta is a crappy province to use for comparison when you look at their population compared to ontario. If you think residents make a lot more than 60k per year, especially after taxes, you have impaired reality testing. Depending on the residency, you may work up to 1/4 call, meaning approximately 75-90 hrs per week. My hourly wage will be just over 10 dollars an hour this week. I will end my week happy, would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Hey look. Official carms website. Starting gross for an R1 in AB: 54k. http://www.carms.ca/eng/r1_program_salaries_e.shtml#AL. Same link. Starting gross for an R1 in ON: 51k. Yup. Ontario docs earn more. And when you factor in taxes, even assuming the resident pays nothing, the engineer will likely still come out ahead for the first few years. Especially because of roll over tuition credits. I don't know where you're getting "starting residents make more than 60k", but you're sadly mistaken. Factor in the hours worked over the course of the year, and I guarantee the R1 pay will be crap compared to the cushy 40hr/week eng job. Actually, simple common sense would show you that I meant residents have a higher net income than those whose gross income is ~60k. I'm not really interested in a debate, (1) because it's not a debate, I'm telling you how it is from first hand experience and you have a indirect/tangential understanding of medicine and (2) because I need to go to sleep. But take into consideration for your career decision making process: - 90 hour weeks don't happen every week, but they are not extreme, and they are not uncommon. I've worked 114 hours twice this year. I will work 84 hours this week, and I'm not even taking in house call. - you are not going to make the money that it seems you think you will make working 55 hours a week. Yes, pay can be high, for example the surgeon at my institution who loves his job, is happy, sleeps 2-3 hours/night, has three fellowships and over 100 peer reviewed publications in his less than ten years in practice makes a lot of money. But this doesn't strike me as your type. - here's some bluntness: academic interest in medical sciences and wanting to make bling don't cut it. cool, which specialty? but if that doesn't cut it, I've yet to ever see a pre med anywhere who would "cut it" then. If you think residents make a lot more than 60k per year, especially after taxes, you have impaired reality testing. residents make more than those whose gross income is ~60k per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnb88 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Actually, simple common sense would show you that I meant residents have a higher net income than those whose gross income is ~60k. cool, which specialty? but if that doesn't cut it, I've yet to ever see a pre med anywhere who would "cut it" then. residents make more than those whose gross income is ~60k per year. No they don't. According to Revenue Canada, anyone who makes between 41 and 83k/yr will pay 6k in taxes. Average salary of 75k for an engineer... that means 6k of taxes... if there's zero deductions (which is extremely unlikely for someone fresh out of university, never mind all the tax deductions available). http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html Look stuff up before you call people out. EDIT: Even if you take someone making 60k with zero deductions available and 6k of taxes, that makes 54k. The only R1s in the country to make more than 54k are those in AB... and it's 54 800 ish there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mm88 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 'Tis the season to be trolling! Fa la la la la, la la la la. Don't forget that we're talking to a first year student who's never lived a day of real life or made any real money with which he could support himself. Hey everyone, don't get bent out of shape! I'm sure he's just trolling for his own pleasure....or because the crushing blow of a ****ty midterm mark is easier to take when you spend all your time being a dud online instead of actually studying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixFlare500 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 In Manitoba I believe residents start at just over 50k. Then sure you have some tax deductions, but keep in mind that you'll probably be in more debt than an engineer would, especially if you feel like you're entitled to buying yourself a fancy car when you graduate med (or possibly when you get into med, you strike me as the kind of person that would do this). Case in point, Medigeek you also seem to pull numbers out of nowhere. Trying to belittle someone's argument and then using the same strategy you claim they used is not a good way to come out ahead in this kind of discussion (actually I can't call this a discussion or a debate 'cause it's just gone downhill so much but I currently am at a loss on what to call it right now). Aaron I think you might need to take a step back, chill out a bit and keep in mind that A) some people will have opinions that will greatly differ from yours and this is the internet, so people will be more willing to express them, no matter how idiotic they might be. PS Medigeek you might be taken more seriously if you A) follow your own advice and make sure you can back your stuff up and didn't resort to insulting people whenever they seem to be able to disprove something you've said. In closing, I'm just surprised atomsmasher hasn't been more vocal in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markov79 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 ........ how you have the time to write all these responses? secondly, why do you care about all this so much? lastly, ... please lock this thread someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xkittens Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 No they don't. According to Revenue Canada, anyone who makes between 41 and 83k/yr will pay 6k in taxes. Average salary of 75k for an engineer... that means 69k of taxes... if there's zero deductions (which is extremely unlikely for someone fresh out of university, never mind all the tax deductions available). http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html Look stuff up before you call people out. EDIT: Even if you take someone making 60k with zero deductions available and 6k of taxes, that makes 54k. The only R1s in the country to make more than 54k are those in AB... and it's 54 800 ish there. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-D33JbUjZtjA/TsmFex492pI/AAAAAAAAALA/wMLb13DFmRA/s320/jackie-chan-meme.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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