dermplan Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 Right now I am considering few specialties in CaRMS, but I was wondering what if person makes the wrong choice. What options do they have? Do they just quite their medical career? Transfer? Re-do another residency? What options do they have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded frog Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 3 hours ago, dermplan said: Right now I am considering few specialties in CaRMS, but I was wondering what if person makes the wrong choice. What options do they have? Do they just quite their medical career? Transfer? Re-do another residency? What options do they have? Quit, tough it out and find an aspect of their specialty they enjoy and just do that, try to transfer and get lucky, reapply to open 2nd round carms spots, work for a bit then apply for a re-entry program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1D7 Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 No guarantees either for transferring/reapplying, it's a lottery for sure. Your best bet would be some sort of internal transfer within your institution where your PD/program advocate for the switch heavily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shikimate Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 from common to uncommon: 1) transfer to another specialty within their school. 2) transfer to another specialty at another school. 3) tough it out, then re-enter training or do another residency 4) quit residency outright/leave clinical medicine. Of course you could always swallow the bullet the tough it out, then try to adjust your practice to something more bearable. also depends on why you don't like it, is it because of the work or because of the people? Also if you don't like the work, is it because you're training in an academic center and work is skewed (eg. in the community you might not see the complex cases or have onerous call) If you don't like the people it might make sense to transfer to another program. Alternatively some people have quit outright. See: Tran v University of Western Ontario, 2016 ONSC 1781 https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onca/doc/2016/2016onca978/2016onca978.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
116E118 Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 On 8/6/2021 at 11:30 AM, shikimate said: If you don't like the people it might make sense to transfer to another program. Alternatively some people have quit outright. See: Tran v University of Western Ontario, 2016 ONSC 1781 https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onca/doc/2016/2016onca978/2016onca978.html That isn't a very good example of quitting. It sounds like this individual was essentially fired for being unprofessional (presumably struggled and didn't show up to work). Then because she has a law degree, decided to sue the program (and lost), appealed (and lost), and appealed again based on some technicality... essentially it seems like she's trying to drag it out as long as possible to waste time & money for the other side. Insane. She's probably the definition of a program's worst nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah1234 Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 42 minutes ago, 116E118 said: She's probably the definition of a program's worst nightmare. I almost feel like it would've been easier just to find her a transfer or if we still had General Licensure maybe she would've moved on. I don't want to automatically cast judgement on her either as I've also seen how unfair the system & process can be for residents. This is just another unfortunate outcome of the rigid training path we have in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dermplan Posted August 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 2 hours ago, 116E118 said: That isn't a very good example of quitting. It sounds like this individual was essentially fired for being unprofessional (presumably struggled and didn't show up to work). Then because she has a law degree, decided to sue the program (and lost), appealed (and lost), and appealed again based on some technicality... essentially it seems like she's trying to drag it out as long as possible to waste time & money for the other side. Insane. She's probably the definition of a program's worst nightmare. I looked up that person on google and it seemed that they had very strong CV - several publications/research. I wonder what happened that led to that. It seems like an unfortunate story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdlifecrisis Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 5 hours ago, 116E118 said: That isn't a very good example of quitting. It sounds like this individual was essentially fired for being unprofessional (presumably struggled and didn't show up to work). Then because she has a law degree, decided to sue the program (and lost), appealed (and lost), and appealed again based on some technicality... essentially it seems like she's trying to drag it out as long as possible to waste time & money for the other side. Insane. She's probably the definition of a program's worst nightmare. what residency program was she in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMislove Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 2 hours ago, mdlifecrisis said: what residency program was she in? Radiology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowmen Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 5 hours ago, dermplan said: I looked up that person on google and it seemed that they had very strong CV - several publications/research. I wonder what happened that led to that. It seems like an unfortunate story. The contents of your CV do not correlate with your clinical abilities. In fact, it often seems to be the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dermplan Posted August 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Snowmen said: The contents of your CV do not correlate with your clinical abilities. In fact, it often seems to be the opposite. Why do you say it is often opposite lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowmen Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 1 hour ago, dermplan said: Why do you say it is often opposite lol... Book smart =/= street smart. Knowing everything by heart and doing research on extremely advanced topics is useless if you're completely clueless when the patient is in front of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dermplan Posted August 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 24 minutes ago, Snowmen said: Book smart =/= street smart. Knowing everything by heart and doing research on extremely advanced topics is useless if you're completely clueless when the patient is in front of you. That's very true. Regardless, it seems that this person was dismissed due to unprofessional conduct, which was probably not related to her clinical skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakoon Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Snowmen said: Book smart =/= street smart. Knowing everything by heart and doing research on extremely advanced topics is useless if you're completely clueless when the patient is in front of you. Street smart =/= Clinically smart I think the ability to do well in clinical is a mix of book knowledge you studied to build a strong foundation, and experience mixed in with wanting to do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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