shikimate Posted March 15, 2022 Report Share Posted March 15, 2022 Could just be election bantering, we will see. Is Ryerson med school even off the ground yet? https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/doug-ford-to-announce-more-than-450-new-medical-school-positions-in-ontario-1.5819508 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
querty Posted March 15, 2022 Report Share Posted March 15, 2022 By postgraduate do we think they mean residency spots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB27 Posted March 15, 2022 Report Share Posted March 15, 2022 38 minutes ago, querty said: By postgraduate do we think they mean residency spots? I think so, otherwise what would the undergrad spots be referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicineLCS Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 The exact breakdown: https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1001773/ontario-training-more-doctors-as-it-builds-a-more-resilient-health-care-system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indefatigable Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 There has to be a catch.. mostly family med? Split between CMG and IMG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redpill Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 40 minutes ago, indefatigable said: There has to be a catch.. mostly family med? Split between CMG and IMG? The catch is you need to re-elect Doug Ford lol Also the plan is to add these seats over a period of 5 years, so you can bet most of that will be done near the end of that time period. Some seats are committed for institutions that aren't even built yet... Dodo, indefatigable, MDee2B and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldManNearTheSea Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Redpill said: The catch is you need to re-elect Doug Ford lol Also the plan is to add these seats over a period of 5 years, so you can bet most of that will be done near the end of that time period. Some seats are committed for institutions that aren't even built yet... And keep in mind Ontario has elections every 4 years so you might have to elect him twice to get that 5th year delivery. Bottas and Dodo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indefatigable Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/17/2022 at 6:09 PM, Redpill said: The catch is you need to re-elect Doug Ford lol Also the plan is to add these seats over a period of 5 years, so you can bet most of that will be done near the end of that time period. Some seats are committed for institutions that aren't even built yet... I'm not sure though - I think the institutions believe the money is committed. Sure, the next government could cut part of the spending, but I think it's unlikely given the opposition. Plus, it would be politically unpopular - there was a lot of pushback when the Ford Government initially tried to cut the Université de l'Ontario Français (in TO - created by the Wynne government) and they ended up supporting it. If anything supporting medical spending takes away a bit of the social middle ground that the Liberals and NDP usually try to claim as their own. I still don't think the sets will be delivered carte blanche to the schools though - I expect there is more in the background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edict Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 I think its happening tbh, this Ryerson med school thing was announced a while back and this just adds further fuel to that fire. The PGME spots at established institutions are easy to add and a UTSC campus for med is not unrealistic. Good news for the GTA gunners though because theres about to be a whole lot more Toronto med school and residency spots out there soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hero147 Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 Is Brampton going to be a shared site between McMaster and Ryerson then? But wowzas, Ryerson is really expanding. Just opened a law school last year and now a medical school. I am surprised York isn't getting much love in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medigeek Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 On 3/17/2022 at 10:30 PM, Edict said: I think its happening tbh, this Ryerson med school thing was announced a while back and this just adds further fuel to that fire. The PGME spots at established institutions are easy to add and a UTSC campus for med is not unrealistic. Good news for the GTA gunners though because theres about to be a whole lot more Toronto med school and residency spots out there soon. Is there really capacity to add all these learners though? There's only so many interesting cases, and more important adequate teachers, to go around between the massive number of current residents/students. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edict Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 14 hours ago, medigeek said: Is there really capacity to add all these learners though? There's only so many interesting cases, and more important adequate teachers, to go around between the massive number of current residents/students. There are, GTA definitely has a lot of untapped capacity. We are adding something like 400k new people a year in Canada and something like 25% end up in the GTA. So there is definitely room for growth there and probably a lot of untapped potential. While it baffles me that Ryerson is hosting a medical school 40km away from their own campus and not York which is better positioned and has been wanting one for a while, I do think there is capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hero147 Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 23 hours ago, Edict said: There are, GTA definitely has a lot of untapped capacity. We are adding something like 400k new people a year in Canada and something like 25% end up in the GTA. So there is definitely room for growth there and probably a lot of untapped potential. While it baffles me that Ryerson is hosting a medical school 40km away from their own campus and not York which is better positioned and has been wanting one for a while, I do think there is capacity. I have also heard that the York faculty of science is much more developed than their counterpart at Ryerson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shikimate Posted March 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 Lol you don't need much to set up a medical school. Look at those in the Carib, couple of buildings for classroom, another building for library, lab and some mock clinic/bedside, a few MD who lost their US license and voila, 96%+ USMLE step 1 pass rate! Pakoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoxy Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, shikimate said: Lol you don't need much to set up a medical school. Look at those in the Carib, couple of buildings for classroom, another building for library, lab and some mock clinic/bedside, a few MD who lost their US license and voila, 96%+ USMLE step 1 pass rate! I know you were being facetious about the ease of opening a medical school, but it's actually quite tough to set up an LCME school. The strict LCME criteria is the primary reason that the number of DO schools has ballooned in the US while the number of MD schools hasn't increased significantly. Of course, from 2025 onward the LMCE will not be accrediting Canadian schools so the strictness of the LCME criteria becomes irrelevant. By the way, 2025 is the date that's been floated for the opening of the Brampton school. Coincidence? I think not. https://www.ryerson.ca/media/releases/2022/03/ontario-government-confirms-ryerson-university-school-of-medicin Pakoon, Redpill and shikimate 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redpill Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 3/21/2022 at 1:23 PM, Edict said: There are, GTA definitely has a lot of untapped capacity. We are adding something like 400k new people a year in Canada and something like 25% end up in the GTA. So there is definitely room for growth there and probably a lot of untapped potential. While it baffles me that Ryerson is hosting a medical school 40km away from their own campus and not York which is better positioned and has been wanting one for a while, I do think there is capacity. I assume its because Ryerson has better lobbying capabilities. For example Sheldon Levy, their past president, was a deputy minster for the Ministry of Training, Colleges, and Universities (although he was a Liberal pick and resigned when the PCs came to power), and there were others that worked in the ministry and likely built up a network. Edit: digging into the Ryerson news release a bit more, it looks like the President of the Treasury Board is the MPP for Brampton South. I imagine that likely helped secure funding for the proposal for the Brampton medical school option... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redpill Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 Also yikes, looks like this was submitted on Feb. 2, 2022: https://www.yorku.ca/medicine/wp-content/uploads/sites/422/2022/02/Conceptual-Proposal-York-University-School-of-Medicine.pdf Guess they didn't make the cut on this new expansion plan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shikimate Posted March 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 Isn't York Med school an idea of Mcguinty and Wynee premiers? No way DF will like that. https://www.thestar.com/life/parent/2008/02/21/health_minister_supports_new_med_school_plan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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